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Is it really so bothersome to you to hear it pointed out that people who aren't rich white men have very real needs that could be solved with political action a

Is it really so bothersome to you to hear it pointed out that people who aren't rich white men have very real needs that could be solved with political action and as such they might be more inclined to talk about politics? I'm assuming you're talking about the GOP. That party has a lot of poor white voters, they also have a very real need for political action on their part.

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rcme 3y ago
Yes, it is bothersome. You mentioned race issues, but you could have easily mentioned climate change: “is it really so unreasonable that people want to talk about keeping the planet hospitable?” Or abortion “is it really so unreasonable women want to talk about having control of their own bodies?” Or the war in Ukraine: “is it really so unreasonable people want to talk about their own political self determination?” There will always be important political considerations that affect groups in disproportionate ways. That doesn’t mean we need to talk about politics all the time or that there is something wrong with not wanting to talk about politics. And yes, if someone expresses a desire to avoid political discussion, I think it’s a dick move to violate that desire and subtly imply they don’t care about race issues.
- the-smug-one 3y ago
  I did mention both gender (guy) and economic (rich) status, clearly this race thing is very sensitive to you. > I think it’s a dick move to violate that desire and subtly imply they don’t care about race issues. There was no subtle implication, only your own fantasy.
  - rcme 3y ago
    Ah, the “you’re just a rich white guy” argument. Okay… How can I refute that? I would have responded the same way if you made a comment about climate change or any other political topic. It seems exhausting to think about your entire worldview through a political lens. I think my previous comment made a coherent argument that you can’t talk about all important things all the time. The fact that you’ve ignored it makes me think you don’t have a good retort. Also I do think you’re a jerk. You’ve gone from subtly implying I’m racist to an overt accusation. That’s inappropriate imo.
    - the-smug-one 3y ago
      Dude, take a break and come back to this in a day or two. I have not said that you're a rich white guy, and I have not said that you're a racist. If you want to talk about this with less emotion and with the assumption that I do listen to you and respect you, then we can do that.
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      - rcme 3y ago
        I went back and re-read our thread and you’re right. I was too focused on race. When you implied I had an indifference to the struggle of others by calling me a “white and rich guy” you weren’t only calling me a racist, but sexist and classist as well. If this is an incorrect interpretation of your words, I apologize. But maybe next time, you shouldn’t try to reduce people to their sex, class, and gender.
        the-smug-one 3y ago
        >But maybe next time, you shouldn’t try to reduce people to their sex, class, and gender. Oh fuck off lmao. You have absolutely no clue what I meant, if you had taken a step back instead of getting of this offended over a stranger on the internet we could have had a good conversation. You are willfully ignoring what I am saying, let me quote myself: >I have not said that you're a rich white guy, and I have not said that you're a racist. If you want to talk about this with less emotion and with the assumption that I do listen to you and respect you, then we can do that. You're still assuming I'm some internet troll, out to hurt your feelings, it's absolute insanity! This is why I asked you to take a day or two. If you wanna talk in a day or two, then we can still do so, with the same assumptions I outlined in my self-quote.
- gloryjulio 3y ago
  I agree as a minority. The constant virtual signalling is a plague. It's just too excessive and not productive.

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rcme 3y ago

Yes, it is bothersome. You mentioned race issues, but you could have easily mentioned climate change: “is it really so unreasonable that people want to talk about keeping the planet hospitable?” Or abortion “is it really so unreasonable women want to talk about having control of their own bodies?” Or the war in Ukraine: “is it really so unreasonable people want to talk about their own political self determination?” There will always be important political considerations that affect groups in disproportionate ways. That doesn’t mean we need to talk about politics all the time or that there is something wrong with not wanting to talk about politics. And yes, if someone expresses a desire to avoid political discussion, I think it’s a dick move to violate that desire and subtly imply they don’t care about race issues.

the-smug-one 3y ago
I did mention both gender (guy) and economic (rich) status, clearly this race thing is very sensitive to you. > I think it’s a dick move to violate that desire and subtly imply they don’t care about race issues. There was no subtle implication, only your own fantasy.
- rcme 3y ago
  Ah, the “you’re just a rich white guy” argument. Okay… How can I refute that? I would have responded the same way if you made a comment about climate change or any other political topic. It seems exhausting to think about your entire worldview through a political lens. I think my previous comment made a coherent argument that you can’t talk about all important things all the time. The fact that you’ve ignored it makes me think you don’t have a good retort. Also I do think you’re a jerk. You’ve gone from subtly implying I’m racist to an overt accusation. That’s inappropriate imo.
  - the-smug-one 3y ago
    Dude, take a break and come back to this in a day or two. I have not said that you're a rich white guy, and I have not said that you're a racist. If you want to talk about this with less emotion and with the assumption that I do listen to you and respect you, then we can do that.
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    - rcme 3y ago
      I went back and re-read our thread and you’re right. I was too focused on race. When you implied I had an indifference to the struggle of others by calling me a “white and rich guy” you weren’t only calling me a racist, but sexist and classist as well. If this is an incorrect interpretation of your words, I apologize. But maybe next time, you shouldn’t try to reduce people to their sex, class, and gender.
      - the-smug-one 3y ago
        >But maybe next time, you shouldn’t try to reduce people to their sex, class, and gender. Oh fuck off lmao. You have absolutely no clue what I meant, if you had taken a step back instead of getting of this offended over a stranger on the internet we could have had a good conversation. You are willfully ignoring what I am saying, let me quote myself: >I have not said that you're a rich white guy, and I have not said that you're a racist. If you want to talk about this with less emotion and with the assumption that I do listen to you and respect you, then we can do that. You're still assuming I'm some internet troll, out to hurt your feelings, it's absolute insanity! This is why I asked you to take a day or two. If you wanna talk in a day or two, then we can still do so, with the same assumptions I outlined in my self-quote.
gloryjulio 3y ago
I agree as a minority. The constant virtual signalling is a plague. It's just too excessive and not productive.