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I'm genuinely mixed... Playing games when so many will cheat isn't fun, and excessive drm and anti cheat suck too and even more considering I run linux, so usua

I'm genuinely mixed... Playing games when so many will cheat isn't fun, and excessive drm and anti cheat suck too and even more considering I run linux, so usually limited via Proton. I know DRM is more than anti cheat, but they're entwined. I think self host server options and modding helps overcome the cheaters with hands on admins and friend groups. I also get you need to pay the staff and am ok seeing good games make money. I do wish DRM could have a built in expiration though... even 5-10 years to keep older games playable/portable.

mcpackieh 3y ago
Play games with friends instead of strangers, then cheaters aren't a problem. Cheating can be policed through normal social processes when you aren't using anonymous matchmaking. Game companies made this problem in the first place by taking away the ability of gamers to run their own private servers.
- tracker1 3y ago
  I did mention this...
  - jareklupinski 3y ago
    it need to be said louder; friends-only used to be the default matchmaking is fine, but let me keep playing with the people i find back on private servers
- metalcrow 3y ago
  I've been playing Battlebit recently, but i don't have 128 friends.
serf 3y ago
>I'm genuinely mixed... Playing games when so many will cheat isn't fun simple question : have you encountered an anti-cheat mechanism that works to stop cheaters? I haven't. The damage that DRM causes is almost entirely one-sided towards the consumer, aside from the pocketbooks of executives that want to boast about their games licensed anti-cheat mechanisms. Those that want to cheat may be thrown through another loop, but it doesn't meaningfully stop them -- these people are often technical and interested , anyway. A new challenge for credit on underground forums -- great!
- metalcrow 3y ago
  >simple question : have you encountered an anti-cheat mechanism that works to stop cheaters? >I haven't. I have. Quite a number in fact, despite me wishing it didn't. Elden Ring used EAC to huge effect here.
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- Infinity315 3y ago
  > simple question : have you encountered an anti-cheat mechanism that works to stop cheaters? Anti-cheat works to reduce the number and frequency of cheaters, not to eliminate cheating completely. It means the difference between meeting cheaters every single game vs meeting cheaters once every 20 games. One means your game is mostly playable and the other means the game is completely unplayable. This is reasoning of yours is like: "Why use vaccines at all?" "Why use anti-virus programs at all?" "Why use seat belts at all?" None of these completely eliminate infection, being hacked, and fatalities in motor accidents. But they vastly reduce the number of them occurring.
- RulerOf 3y ago
  > simple question : have you encountered an anti-cheat mechanism that works to stop cheaters? I find them to be rare, but I consider the existence of both cheating and anti-cheat software to be a symptom of a bigger problem: shitty games and shitty game mechanics. If cheats maximize enjoyment for the cheater playing your game, your game sucks and you should focus on retooling the game to deliver that experience without third party tools.
  - manderley 3y ago
    That seems entirely reductive, even weird: I don't think Counter-Strike "sucks" and "should focus on retooling the game" just because cheaters exist.
    - RulerOf 3y ago
lakomen 3y ago
DRM is not anti cheat, where do you get that from?
- tracker1 3y ago
  Anti cheat replies on the same mechanisms as drm.

mcpackieh 3y ago

Play games with friends instead of strangers, then cheaters aren't a problem. Cheating can be policed through normal social processes when you aren't using anonymous matchmaking. Game companies made this problem in the first place by taking away the ability of gamers to run their own private servers.

tracker1 3y ago
I did mention this...
- jareklupinski 3y ago
  it need to be said louder; friends-only used to be the default matchmaking is fine, but let me keep playing with the people i find back on private servers
metalcrow 3y ago
I've been playing Battlebit recently, but i don't have 128 friends.

serf 3y ago

>I'm genuinely mixed... Playing games when so many will cheat isn't fun simple question : have you encountered an anti-cheat mechanism that works to stop cheaters? I haven't. The damage that DRM causes is almost entirely one-sided towards the consumer, aside from the pocketbooks of executives that want to boast about their games licensed anti-cheat mechanisms. Those that want to cheat may be thrown through another loop, but it doesn't meaningfully stop them -- these people are often technical and interested , anyway. A new challenge for credit on underground forums -- great!

metalcrow 3y ago
>simple question : have you encountered an anti-cheat mechanism that works to stop cheaters? >I haven't. I have. Quite a number in fact, despite me wishing it didn't. Elden Ring used EAC to huge effect here.
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Infinity315 3y ago
> simple question : have you encountered an anti-cheat mechanism that works to stop cheaters? Anti-cheat works to reduce the number and frequency of cheaters, not to eliminate cheating completely. It means the difference between meeting cheaters every single game vs meeting cheaters once every 20 games. One means your game is mostly playable and the other means the game is completely unplayable. This is reasoning of yours is like: "Why use vaccines at all?" "Why use anti-virus programs at all?" "Why use seat belts at all?" None of these completely eliminate infection, being hacked, and fatalities in motor accidents. But they vastly reduce the number of them occurring.
RulerOf 3y ago
> simple question : have you encountered an anti-cheat mechanism that works to stop cheaters? I find them to be rare, but I consider the existence of both cheating and anti-cheat software to be a symptom of a bigger problem: shitty games and shitty game mechanics. If cheats maximize enjoyment for the cheater playing your game, your game sucks and you should focus on retooling the game to deliver that experience without third party tools.
- manderley 3y ago
  That seems entirely reductive, even weird: I don't think Counter-Strike "sucks" and "should focus on retooling the game" just because cheaters exist.
  - RulerOf 3y ago

lakomen 3y ago

DRM is not anti cheat, where do you get that from?

tracker1 3y ago
Anti cheat replies on the same mechanisms as drm.