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You know, I always thought a lot of the abstractions we add were just pure resume-driven nonsense too, but I guess it is better than having engineering minded p

You know, I always thought a lot of the abstractions we add were just pure resume-driven nonsense too, but I guess it is better than having engineering minded people think up better ways to liquify other humans.

bigbillheck 3y ago
It's easy to complain about all those incredibly talented people selling ads, but it's also important to remember that it could be much worse.
formulathree 3y ago
Ironically Liquification is just a deterrent. Yeah all that brain power is deployed to create technology that is barely used ever. It's just there to scare other people away. That's the current state of technology right now. On one hand in defense you have people cooking up technology that will never be used. On the other hand you have the entire IT industry cooking up technology to make simple things 1000000x more complex. It's like humanity has run out of shit to do and the money is being directed towards useless busy work.
CoastalCoder 3y ago
Having worked in defense, I don't recall anyone who was gleeful about killing others. It was all about keeping our families and neighbors safe. If you're arguing against defense work in general, please consider the consequences of unilaterally disarming ourselves. I want world peace. Unfortunately others seem to prefer expansion / exploitation of other nations.
- l3mure 3y ago
  Americans are truly the most brainwashed people on the planet.
  - formulathree 3y ago
    Hey. I'm fucking American and I worked defense and you're completely right. The US is deploying an entire chain of military forces around china. Literally. From Japan all the way through taiwan to the Philippines we are boxing china in with massive amounts of deadly firepower. Any equivalent action against the US would launch mass hysteria among the public. As much as I don't agree with certain things china does.. they are showing incredible restraint here. The US media is pulling off the most successful propaganda campaign I've ever seen... Literally characterizing this action as something that's self defense and necessary for world peace. Self defense is a complete joke. it's 100 percent military aggression by the US. All in the name of economic and military power.
  - CoastalCoder 3y ago
    > Americans are truly the most brainwashed people on the planet. I'd like to respond, but it's not clear if you're up for a serious discussion.
    - l3mure 3y ago
      In the planning phase of the 2003 Iraq invasion: [1] > As a result, the executive steering group and its supporting working groups spent extensive time on building a humanitarian assistance package for Iraq, but comparatively little time on the functions of a post-regime government outside of the oil ministry. Surely with the focus on the oil ministry, post invasion operations were fully transparent and not at all suspicious! [2] > In October 2004, the audits conducted by IAMB and KPMG revealed the CPA's inadequate accounting system. IAMB failed its oversight process for several months because of procedural disputes and US manipulation. During this time illegal export of petroleum was conducted secretly from Iraq, and a large amount of funds for DFI were disbursed without accountability. According to the audits conducted by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR), US $8.8 billion of the US$23 billion of Iraqi money disbursed for DFI has not been accounted [for]. > Iraq's oil infrastructure was damaged when the CPA took over. The CPA effected selected repairs. But the IAMB found that the CPA had chosen not to repair the meters on the pipelines. The IAMB told the CPA that they were concerned that the lack of metering made auditing Iraq's oil exports unreliable – making it impossible to detect fraud, deception or smuggling. The minutes of the IAMB meeting make clear that the CPA had assured the IAMB that they were in the process of repairing the meters – in bad faith. The CPA's authority came to an end with the meters unrepaired. Estimates of how much oil revenue was siphoned off during the year of the CPA's administration go as high as $4 billion – comparable to the amount Saddam Hussein is suspected of stealing during the entire duration of the oil-for-food program. Uhhhhh... Right, thanks for keeping us safe defense industry! [1] - pg. 64, The US Army in the Iraq War, 2003-2006 [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_Fund_for_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_Fund_for_Iraq
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  I’ve no doubt that almost all weapons engineers the world over believe they are working for a noble cause (and many of them with neighbors far more belligerent than Mexico or Canada). I can’t help but suspect that some do take glee in it but know better than to advertise that.

bigbillheck 3y ago

It's easy to complain about all those incredibly talented people selling ads, but it's also important to remember that it could be much worse.

formulathree 3y ago

Ironically Liquification is just a deterrent. Yeah all that brain power is deployed to create technology that is barely used ever. It's just there to scare other people away. That's the current state of technology right now. On one hand in defense you have people cooking up technology that will never be used. On the other hand you have the entire IT industry cooking up technology to make simple things 1000000x more complex. It's like humanity has run out of shit to do and the money is being directed towards useless busy work.

CoastalCoder 3y ago

Having worked in defense, I don't recall anyone who was gleeful about killing others. It was all about keeping our families and neighbors safe. If you're arguing against defense work in general, please consider the consequences of unilaterally disarming ourselves. I want world peace. Unfortunately others seem to prefer expansion / exploitation of other nations.

l3mure 3y ago
Americans are truly the most brainwashed people on the planet.
- formulathree 3y ago
  Hey. I'm fucking American and I worked defense and you're completely right. The US is deploying an entire chain of military forces around china. Literally. From Japan all the way through taiwan to the Philippines we are boxing china in with massive amounts of deadly firepower. Any equivalent action against the US would launch mass hysteria among the public. As much as I don't agree with certain things china does.. they are showing incredible restraint here. The US media is pulling off the most successful propaganda campaign I've ever seen... Literally characterizing this action as something that's self defense and necessary for world peace. Self defense is a complete joke. it's 100 percent military aggression by the US. All in the name of economic and military power.
- CoastalCoder 3y ago
  > Americans are truly the most brainwashed people on the planet. I'd like to respond, but it's not clear if you're up for a serious discussion.
  - l3mure 3y ago
    In the planning phase of the 2003 Iraq invasion: [1] > As a result, the executive steering group and its supporting working groups spent extensive time on building a humanitarian assistance package for Iraq, but comparatively little time on the functions of a post-regime government outside of the oil ministry. Surely with the focus on the oil ministry, post invasion operations were fully transparent and not at all suspicious! [2] > In October 2004, the audits conducted by IAMB and KPMG revealed the CPA's inadequate accounting system. IAMB failed its oversight process for several months because of procedural disputes and US manipulation. During this time illegal export of petroleum was conducted secretly from Iraq, and a large amount of funds for DFI were disbursed without accountability. According to the audits conducted by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR), US $8.8 billion of the US$23 billion of Iraqi money disbursed for DFI has not been accounted [for]. > Iraq's oil infrastructure was damaged when the CPA took over. The CPA effected selected repairs. But the IAMB found that the CPA had chosen not to repair the meters on the pipelines. The IAMB told the CPA that they were concerned that the lack of metering made auditing Iraq's oil exports unreliable – making it impossible to detect fraud, deception or smuggling. The minutes of the IAMB meeting make clear that the CPA had assured the IAMB that they were in the process of repairing the meters – in bad faith. The CPA's authority came to an end with the meters unrepaired. Estimates of how much oil revenue was siphoned off during the year of the CPA's administration go as high as $4 billion – comparable to the amount Saddam Hussein is suspected of stealing during the entire duration of the oil-for-food program. Uhhhhh... Right, thanks for keeping us safe defense industry! [1] - pg. 64, The US Army in the Iraq War, 2003-2006 [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_Fund_for_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_Fund_for_Iraq
hotpotamus 3y ago
I’ve no doubt that almost all weapons engineers the world over believe they are working for a noble cause (and many of them with neighbors far more belligerent than Mexico or Canada). I can’t help but suspect that some do take glee in it but know better than to advertise that.