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Some of us (me included) just refuse to use a Mac. If I couldn't find a good Thinkpad, I would get a Surface.

by csdvrx 3y ago

soulbadguy 3y ago
May i ask why ? I don't use Macs because my day to day requires X86 and linux. But pounds for pounds if someone doesn't mind MacOs. The new Mx series of macs is just a better value than most high-end laptop theses days
- shortrounddev2 3y ago
  I hate Apple, its products, and its ecosystem. The developer tools suck and macOS provides no advantage over windows other than an annoying user interface (if you're into that sort of thing)
  - csdvrx 3y ago
    It might be controversial, but I agree. The battery life can smooth out the issues for some people, but I have a plug everywhere I need.
  - tracker1 3y ago
    I don't think the UI is annoying so much as different from what you may be used to. For me the annoyance is a few different key bindings. I like some parts of Windows, Linux (Gnome, KDE) and Mac... I have my Budgie desktop setup with a mix of the three.
- hospitalJail 3y ago
  >The new Mx series of macs is just a better value than most high-end laptop theses days ? I just recently bought a laptop and when I was comparing benchmarks, I didn't see Apple anywhere near the top of the list for CPU single or multithreaded. Not that I remotely care about CPU speeds, my number 1 focus was VRAM. Made it an easy decision since you basically pick something with Nvidia and high VRAM.
  - tracker1 3y ago
    This is ARM. The cpu isn't the only thing. Memory and disk io are also very good. Also portable/laptop and desktop aren't the same. Mx also has good accelerators for x86 and encoding tasks, so it will depend on what you do. Next gen AMD mobile is also looking very good. AMD 7000 series mobile is really nice, but battery life isn't quite there compared to Apple.
  - soulbadguy 3y ago
    > I didn't see Apple anywhere near the top of the list for CPU single or multithreaded Probably wasn't normalized as perf per watt.
    - hospitalJail 3y ago
      >Probably wasn't normalized as perf per watt. Of course, that is a marketing metric, not something to genuinely care.
      - tredre3 3y ago
        We're discussing laptops here. Performance per watt is possibly one of the most important metric to the average consumer even if they don't know it by name. Better battery life + less heat = more comfort.
- dantaro 3y ago
  Hey there, author here, for me personally it's about the windowing and file explorer. I spent 6 months trying to get used to it at a job, and even bought a M1 Macbook Pro last year to try, but I just couldn't find any combination of plugins and programs that made it feel right. I know, it's not a great reason, and I have no hate for anyone who yums my yuck, but at the end of the day it's what stops me from using MacOS.
  - csdvrx 3y ago
    > I just couldn't find any combination of plugins and programs that made it feel right. This: I recently moved to Linux. I was happy on Windows, because with the right combination of plugins and programs it felt just right + I could get everything I wanted hardware-wise. Last time I checked, this is not possible on Mac. You get a good battery life, but I don't care about that - I'd rather have a Zen3 AMD but I'm happy with my current laptop. With Linux, I don't have to fight my OS to get everything the way I want it to be, I can get a nice 4k OLED touchscreen on my Laptop with an internal LTE/5G module so I don't have to carry a phone just for getting online, etc. BTW I use arch (lol) and I think I'll stay - mostly thanks to Arch because before that I didn't like Linux due to Ubuntu questionable choices that made me prefer Windows before.
  - csdvrx 3y ago
    BTW you said " I don't have the 5G enabled version as it wasn't available when I bought mine, which I do regret, but if it's even half as good as it is on the SPX then it'll be totally fine. " If you want to help to make 5G work, get in touch. I'd need to know if you have internal WWAN antennas- if not, you can add them. It's just about installing a M2 module. At the same time, you can replace the current 512G NVMe by a 2T like from Sabrent or WD SN730 (though the latter has some firmware issues when using ZFS due to the power states)
    - dantaro 3y ago
      Hey, that's be really interesting to see. I haven't opened up my x13s yet, but I'll do that soon. In the middle of a move, so I'm not sure what box the tools are in, but once I find them I'll let you know :)
kamma4434 3y ago
I used to as well. But the M series just blows away every laptop - every Pc - I’ve ever had in the last 30 years… at some point it is an ideological proposition.
- csdvrx 3y ago
  My position is everything but ideological: I will consider a Mac as soon as 1) the hardware offers an OLED touchscreen and internal LTE (everything else is secondary, with DDR5 I've even relaxed my requirements for actual ECC) 2) Linux can run as well as it does on my Thinkpad or Surface. Until then, I refuse to use a Mac, because I don't like the OS or the limited hardware choice.
  - tracker1 3y ago
    I'm not big on touch myself. As for lte, usually just tether to my phone if needed, then I don't have to worry about after lte, etc.
    - csdvrx 3y ago
      To be fair, I enjoy the internal LTE/5G way more than the screen: with it, I don't have to carry a phone!
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  - D13Fd 3y ago
    Personally I think those hardware limitations are pretty silly. IMO an OLED screen is irrelevant unless you are gaming or something, and touchscreens on laptops are of pretty limited utility. And an internal LTE model would be an expensive waste if you have an iPhone, because it pairs to your iPhone instantly. The Linux limitation is totally fair, although kind of irrelevant here (as it doesn't run well on the Qualcomm chips either).
rollcat 3y ago
I'm here with you. I just refuse to use Windows, but I do recognize and empathise with people who feel this way about Mac or Linux. I would rather use something because I love it, rather than not use it because I hate it; but it's totally normal to find something off-putting.

Some of us (me included) just refuse to use a Mac. If I couldn't find a good Thinkpad, I would get a Surface.

by csdvrx 3y ago

Some of us (me included) just refuse to use a Mac. If I couldn't find a good Thinkpad, I would get a Surface.

May i ask why ? I don't use Macs because my day to day requires X86 and linux. But pounds for pounds if someone doesn't mind MacOs. The new Mx series of macs is just a better value than most high-end laptop theses days

shortrounddev2 3y ago
I hate Apple, its products, and its ecosystem. The developer tools suck and macOS provides no advantage over windows other than an annoying user interface (if you're into that sort of thing)
- csdvrx 3y ago
  It might be controversial, but I agree. The battery life can smooth out the issues for some people, but I have a plug everywhere I need.
- tracker1 3y ago
  I don't think the UI is annoying so much as different from what you may be used to. For me the annoyance is a few different key bindings. I like some parts of Windows, Linux (Gnome, KDE) and Mac... I have my Budgie desktop setup with a mix of the three.
hospitalJail 3y ago
>The new Mx series of macs is just a better value than most high-end laptop theses days ? I just recently bought a laptop and when I was comparing benchmarks, I didn't see Apple anywhere near the top of the list for CPU single or multithreaded. Not that I remotely care about CPU speeds, my number 1 focus was VRAM. Made it an easy decision since you basically pick something with Nvidia and high VRAM.
- tracker1 3y ago
  This is ARM. The cpu isn't the only thing. Memory and disk io are also very good. Also portable/laptop and desktop aren't the same. Mx also has good accelerators for x86 and encoding tasks, so it will depend on what you do. Next gen AMD mobile is also looking very good. AMD 7000 series mobile is really nice, but battery life isn't quite there compared to Apple.
- soulbadguy 3y ago
  > I didn't see Apple anywhere near the top of the list for CPU single or multithreaded Probably wasn't normalized as perf per watt.
  - hospitalJail 3y ago
    >Probably wasn't normalized as perf per watt. Of course, that is a marketing metric, not something to genuinely care.
    - tredre3 3y ago
      We're discussing laptops here. Performance per watt is possibly one of the most important metric to the average consumer even if they don't know it by name. Better battery life + less heat = more comfort.
dantaro 3y ago
Hey there, author here, for me personally it's about the windowing and file explorer. I spent 6 months trying to get used to it at a job, and even bought a M1 Macbook Pro last year to try, but I just couldn't find any combination of plugins and programs that made it feel right. I know, it's not a great reason, and I have no hate for anyone who yums my yuck, but at the end of the day it's what stops me from using MacOS.
- csdvrx 3y ago
  > I just couldn't find any combination of plugins and programs that made it feel right. This: I recently moved to Linux. I was happy on Windows, because with the right combination of plugins and programs it felt just right + I could get everything I wanted hardware-wise. Last time I checked, this is not possible on Mac. You get a good battery life, but I don't care about that - I'd rather have a Zen3 AMD but I'm happy with my current laptop. With Linux, I don't have to fight my OS to get everything the way I want it to be, I can get a nice 4k OLED touchscreen on my Laptop with an internal LTE/5G module so I don't have to carry a phone just for getting online, etc. BTW I use arch (lol) and I think I'll stay - mostly thanks to Arch because before that I didn't like Linux due to Ubuntu questionable choices that made me prefer Windows before.
- csdvrx 3y ago
  BTW you said " I don't have the 5G enabled version as it wasn't available when I bought mine, which I do regret, but if it's even half as good as it is on the SPX then it'll be totally fine. " If you want to help to make 5G work, get in touch. I'd need to know if you have internal WWAN antennas- if not, you can add them. It's just about installing a M2 module. At the same time, you can replace the current 512G NVMe by a 2T like from Sabrent or WD SN730 (though the latter has some firmware issues when using ZFS due to the power states)
  - dantaro 3y ago
    Hey, that's be really interesting to see. I haven't opened up my x13s yet, but I'll do that soon. In the middle of a move, so I'm not sure what box the tools are in, but once I find them I'll let you know :)

kamma4434 3y ago

I used to as well. But the M series just blows away every laptop - every Pc - I’ve ever had in the last 30 years… at some point it is an ideological proposition.

csdvrx 3y ago
My position is everything but ideological: I will consider a Mac as soon as 1) the hardware offers an OLED touchscreen and internal LTE (everything else is secondary, with DDR5 I've even relaxed my requirements for actual ECC) 2) Linux can run as well as it does on my Thinkpad or Surface. Until then, I refuse to use a Mac, because I don't like the OS or the limited hardware choice.
- tracker1 3y ago
  I'm not big on touch myself. As for lte, usually just tether to my phone if needed, then I don't have to worry about after lte, etc.
  - csdvrx 3y ago
    To be fair, I enjoy the internal LTE/5G way more than the screen: with it, I don't have to carry a phone!
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
- D13Fd 3y ago
  Personally I think those hardware limitations are pretty silly. IMO an OLED screen is irrelevant unless you are gaming or something, and touchscreens on laptops are of pretty limited utility. And an internal LTE model would be an expensive waste if you have an iPhone, because it pairs to your iPhone instantly. The Linux limitation is totally fair, although kind of irrelevant here (as it doesn't run well on the Qualcomm chips either).

rollcat 3y ago

I'm here with you. I just refuse to use Windows, but I do recognize and empathise with people who feel this way about Mac or Linux. I would rather use something because I love it, rather than not use it because I hate it; but it's totally normal to find something off-putting.