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It's both isn't it. It has to be. Have you ever been to a wedding or convention that is serving? Alcohol absolutely is a social lubricant

by JTon 3y ago

robocat 3y ago
That does not make it social. By your definition ecstasy is a social drug or any drug at a rave is social (Note I have never seen MDMA turn anti-social). In my experience most drugs are “social” - the heroin users I knew were a tight crowd! Weed is definitely social for those that partake. Serve cocaine, MDMA and meth at a wedding and everybody will have a social blast too.
- alsetmusic 3y ago
  I don’t see an argument against the social merit of alcohol here. I dated an enabler who knew that alcohol helped ease my social anxiety around strangers. She told me we’d get a couple of drinks into me at the bar when going to office parties. It worked. Made me very sociable. I’m genuinely curious how you define sociability of a drug or substance. I know alcohol is detrimental to society at large. On an individual basis, I find it quite attractive for social gatherings.
  - robocat 3y ago
    Calling alcohol social feels like an evil marketing gimmick - certainly our advertising pretends it is social. Alcohol is deeply socially destructive - we know the stereotypical examples of damage in the the poor and the indigenous communities. The examples of damage in middle-class homes of the wealthy (e.g. doctors) and the average working class (tradies and nurses) is much less visible. The words “social” and “alcohol” are immiscible.
    - JTon 3y ago
      We're very far apart on this issue. I feel like you must not drink socially, so you're not exposed to the milder effects of alcohol. Alcohol enables both social and anti-social behavior. It doesn't have to be black and white.
      - robocat 3y ago
        I drink at pubs and with friends. I have an alcohol free home (I have seen too many friends slowly change from one small drink a night to a problem within a few years. I have seen too many devastating consequences of “social” drinking to think it is safe. Of course we all mostly do unsafe things regularly!

It's both isn't it. It has to be. Have you ever been to a wedding or convention that is serving? Alcohol absolutely is a social lubricant

by JTon 3y ago

It's both isn't it. It has to be. Have you ever been to a wedding or convention that is serving? Alcohol absolutely is a social lubricant

robocat 3y ago

That does not make it social. By your definition ecstasy is a social drug or any drug at a rave is social (Note I have never seen MDMA turn anti-social). In my experience most drugs are “social” - the heroin users I knew were a tight crowd! Weed is definitely social for those that partake. Serve cocaine, MDMA and meth at a wedding and everybody will have a social blast too.

alsetmusic 3y ago
I don’t see an argument against the social merit of alcohol here. I dated an enabler who knew that alcohol helped ease my social anxiety around strangers. She told me we’d get a couple of drinks into me at the bar when going to office parties. It worked. Made me very sociable. I’m genuinely curious how you define sociability of a drug or substance. I know alcohol is detrimental to society at large. On an individual basis, I find it quite attractive for social gatherings.
- robocat 3y ago
  Calling alcohol social feels like an evil marketing gimmick - certainly our advertising pretends it is social. Alcohol is deeply socially destructive - we know the stereotypical examples of damage in the the poor and the indigenous communities. The examples of damage in middle-class homes of the wealthy (e.g. doctors) and the average working class (tradies and nurses) is much less visible. The words “social” and “alcohol” are immiscible.
  - JTon 3y ago
    We're very far apart on this issue. I feel like you must not drink socially, so you're not exposed to the milder effects of alcohol. Alcohol enables both social and anti-social behavior. It doesn't have to be black and white.
    - robocat 3y ago
      I drink at pubs and with friends. I have an alcohol free home (I have seen too many friends slowly change from one small drink a night to a problem within a few years. I have seen too many devastating consequences of “social” drinking to think it is safe. Of course we all mostly do unsafe things regularly!