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If you have to put that kind of work into a platform to make it usable, I would suggest putting it into a platform that aligns with your values. I just can't u

If you have to put that kind of work into a platform to make it usable, I would suggest putting it into a platform that aligns with your values. I just can't understand why anyone, even "normals", would be so eager to jump into bed with Facebook again after the last decade.

paddw 3y ago
people love twitter. they want twitter run by "normals". zuck has said threads will be twitter run by "normals". this is what they want. this is what they will use.
mchanson 3y ago
I don't think it's fair to call it getting into bed. More like trying out the new ice cream place that everyone is trying.
- deleted 3y ago
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- meitham 3y ago
  I think in this case we —-the customers—- are the ice-cream and Facebook’s tongue licking all over us, as if they haven’t had enough taste of our metadata yet!
- FridgeSeal 3y ago
  (Continuing this analogy) Except that the icecream place is run by a group known for extremely poor hygiene, manipulating customers and lacing their other food products with nicotine to ensure chemical dependency issues.
  - whartung 3y ago
    “This Carolina Chocolate is amazing! I just keep coming back!”
  - internetter 3y ago
    So basically fast food?
542458 3y ago
If I already use Instagram, Meta isn’t getting much new information from my use of threads that they didn’t already get from IG.
- alexandre_m 3y ago
  Well they're capturing additional text-based interactions associated with your identity and demographic.
jackmott 3y ago
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hairofadog 3y ago
I agree with you and I have no plans to sign up for threads, but I have to admit that there's some part of my monkey brain that has softened on meta throughout all this. I am not saying that feeling is justified; only admitting it's there. I think the last decade has given us events and people who went out of their way to make "normal" levels of malevolence seem quaint or even charming.
- cmrdporcupine 3y ago
  I have a hard time giving up FB because so much family and old friends are on it, but intellectually I know it's awful. Probably worse than Musk's Twitter, TBH. Zuckerberg has personally done a better job of not being public-crazy than Musk (just cringey), but his platform has arguably net-effects worse on society. They crossed the line last fall when they put me in FB jail for posting a picture of my son at the beach in his bathing suit as "violating community standards", and then extended my jail-time further when I appealed and complained. The implication being that I was posting .. CSAM... because their image detection algorithm & moderation sucks... that's awful. Meanwhile they continually try to show me far right or climate change denial material presumably to try to get me to "engage"; yesterday was a meme encouraging people to run over cyclists, complete with a picture of a cyclist being hit by a car, and when I reported it as encouraging violence they rejected my report. Meta depends on outrage-engagement to make $$. Zuck talks a big talk about creating online community, but he's actually kind of created the opposite. Even the active FB groups I've been in around niche topics have become kind of awful in tone recently, like they're doing the same outrage engagement algos in them, too. Or people are just bigger assholes after COVID, I dunno. They really are the worst, in actuality, and getting worse. I think I will delete my account ... but it means losing contact with a lot of friends and family.
  - nick-of-time 3y ago
    Facebook is even worse in other countries, where they promote outrage algorithmically then don't hire any moderators to even try and keep it in check. This way they're implicated in the genocide of the Rohingya people in Myanmar: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/07/facebooks-role-in-myanmar-and-ethiopia-under-new-scrutiny https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/07/facebooks...
carlossouza 3y ago
I can only imagine 2 use cases right now: 1. You are a celebrity or influencer and you are trying to “colonize” the place 2. You have a business that sells products or services to this people: celebs and influencers are your primary target
haliskerbas 3y ago
I saw some posts urging people to “get in on the beginning” in order to take advantage of the primitive ranking and go viral. Everyone wants a chance at that. Just like the promise of pump and dump crypto’s or the still private startups that told me “you just don’t understand how equity works, we are about to IPO soon, take our lowball offer”
- mattgreenrocks 3y ago
  It’s 2023, and people are still grasping for Internet Points?
  - bentcorner 3y ago
    Yes? I don't really get it either, but for better or worse if you want to build something that caters to the kind of people that use Threads/Twitter, its obvious that it would be better to do it now rather than in 6 months.
  - renewiltord 3y ago
    If you're good at it, you can parlay it into a million dollars like that Medlock guy.
  - deleted 3y ago
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Pxtl 3y ago
I started onto Threads. I really tried to make Mastodon work for me, but the lack of discoverability killed it. As somebody with trans people in my family, getting away from Musk's Twitter is a priority. But Twitter is where I get a lot of news and entertainment. I would rather have seen Mastodon win, but their product just isn't good enough.
- coldcode 3y ago
  Mastodon seems like nice people, but it's not well designed. So far, it seems people are posting stuff in the void and creating little conversation because everything rolls past you unless you are looking continuously. Even notifications are poorly designed as it keeps posting your content repeatedly for favorites, etc., so you have little overview of your interactions. I think it could be designed better but apparently, few changes are made to make it more usable.
  - swayvil 3y ago
    >looking continuously. Ahhh! That is the key to the design. A network of users consuming and producing in real time. Weird feedback amplification effects. A vast beast with a million heads, muttering to itself. (Having your notifications turned on might be important for this to work. Remember that Black Mirror episode where having your notifications turned on was legally mandated.)
- swayvil 3y ago
  I can't deal with the way posts are arranged in mastodon. The "timeline" or whatever you call it. I want a tree of threads. Posts and replies. Like reddit and hn. It's the only way that makes sense. Boggling that they do it this way.
- jabradoodle 3y ago
  As somebody with humans in my family, staying of democracy subverting Facebook is a priority.

paddw 3y ago

people love twitter. they want twitter run by "normals". zuck has said threads will be twitter run by "normals". this is what they want. this is what they will use.

mchanson 3y ago

I don't think it's fair to call it getting into bed. More like trying out the new ice cream place that everyone is trying.

deleted 3y ago
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meitham 3y ago
I think in this case we —-the customers—- are the ice-cream and Facebook’s tongue licking all over us, as if they haven’t had enough taste of our metadata yet!
FridgeSeal 3y ago
(Continuing this analogy) Except that the icecream place is run by a group known for extremely poor hygiene, manipulating customers and lacing their other food products with nicotine to ensure chemical dependency issues.
- whartung 3y ago
  “This Carolina Chocolate is amazing! I just keep coming back!”
- internetter 3y ago
  So basically fast food?

542458 3y ago

If I already use Instagram, Meta isn’t getting much new information from my use of threads that they didn’t already get from IG.

alexandre_m 3y ago
Well they're capturing additional text-based interactions associated with your identity and demographic.

jackmott 3y ago

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hairofadog 3y ago

I agree with you and I have no plans to sign up for threads, but I have to admit that there's some part of my monkey brain that has softened on meta throughout all this. I am not saying that feeling is justified; only admitting it's there. I think the last decade has given us events and people who went out of their way to make "normal" levels of malevolence seem quaint or even charming.

cmrdporcupine 3y ago
I have a hard time giving up FB because so much family and old friends are on it, but intellectually I know it's awful. Probably worse than Musk's Twitter, TBH. Zuckerberg has personally done a better job of not being public-crazy than Musk (just cringey), but his platform has arguably net-effects worse on society. They crossed the line last fall when they put me in FB jail for posting a picture of my son at the beach in his bathing suit as "violating community standards", and then extended my jail-time further when I appealed and complained. The implication being that I was posting .. CSAM... because their image detection algorithm & moderation sucks... that's awful. Meanwhile they continually try to show me far right or climate change denial material presumably to try to get me to "engage"; yesterday was a meme encouraging people to run over cyclists, complete with a picture of a cyclist being hit by a car, and when I reported it as encouraging violence they rejected my report. Meta depends on outrage-engagement to make $$. Zuck talks a big talk about creating online community, but he's actually kind of created the opposite. Even the active FB groups I've been in around niche topics have become kind of awful in tone recently, like they're doing the same outrage engagement algos in them, too. Or people are just bigger assholes after COVID, I dunno. They really are the worst, in actuality, and getting worse. I think I will delete my account ... but it means losing contact with a lot of friends and family.
- nick-of-time 3y ago
  Facebook is even worse in other countries, where they promote outrage algorithmically then don't hire any moderators to even try and keep it in check. This way they're implicated in the genocide of the Rohingya people in Myanmar: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/07/facebooks-role-in-myanmar-and-ethiopia-under-new-scrutiny https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/07/facebooks...

carlossouza 3y ago

I can only imagine 2 use cases right now: 1. You are a celebrity or influencer and you are trying to “colonize” the place 2. You have a business that sells products or services to this people: celebs and influencers are your primary target

haliskerbas 3y ago

I saw some posts urging people to “get in on the beginning” in order to take advantage of the primitive ranking and go viral. Everyone wants a chance at that. Just like the promise of pump and dump crypto’s or the still private startups that told me “you just don’t understand how equity works, we are about to IPO soon, take our lowball offer”

mattgreenrocks 3y ago
It’s 2023, and people are still grasping for Internet Points?
- bentcorner 3y ago
  Yes? I don't really get it either, but for better or worse if you want to build something that caters to the kind of people that use Threads/Twitter, its obvious that it would be better to do it now rather than in 6 months.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  If you're good at it, you can parlay it into a million dollars like that Medlock guy.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]

Pxtl 3y ago

I started onto Threads. I really tried to make Mastodon work for me, but the lack of discoverability killed it. As somebody with trans people in my family, getting away from Musk's Twitter is a priority. But Twitter is where I get a lot of news and entertainment. I would rather have seen Mastodon win, but their product just isn't good enough.

coldcode 3y ago
Mastodon seems like nice people, but it's not well designed. So far, it seems people are posting stuff in the void and creating little conversation because everything rolls past you unless you are looking continuously. Even notifications are poorly designed as it keeps posting your content repeatedly for favorites, etc., so you have little overview of your interactions. I think it could be designed better but apparently, few changes are made to make it more usable.
- swayvil 3y ago
  >looking continuously. Ahhh! That is the key to the design. A network of users consuming and producing in real time. Weird feedback amplification effects. A vast beast with a million heads, muttering to itself. (Having your notifications turned on might be important for this to work. Remember that Black Mirror episode where having your notifications turned on was legally mandated.)
swayvil 3y ago
I can't deal with the way posts are arranged in mastodon. The "timeline" or whatever you call it. I want a tree of threads. Posts and replies. Like reddit and hn. It's the only way that makes sense. Boggling that they do it this way.
jabradoodle 3y ago
As somebody with humans in my family, staying of democracy subverting Facebook is a priority.