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Are people outside of the tech industry and Politics really concerned at all with Elon or Twitter? My anecdotal experience is that the only people I interact w

Are people outside of the tech industry and Politics really concerned at all with Elon or Twitter? My anecdotal experience is that the only people I interact with where this comes up are either people who seen to be parroting a story from 24 hour news or a techy that abandoned Twitter shortly after the purchase (many of have since whom quietly returned).

hhh 3y ago
My entire friend circle is outside of tech and hate politics, and are tired of Twitter imploding. They all want something new, or at least Twitter before Elon. Most recently, we were trying to find news about the Paris riots, and there’s nothing but misinformation (videos from other riots) spammed consistently, that have no community notes, and have nothing but racist twitter blue users pushed to the top of the replies. It’s creating a huge fog of war when just trying to figure out what’s going on. It’s like all the moderation systems have just gone offline.
- vladvasiliu 3y ago
  Honest question, as someone who doesn't use Twitter: why don't you just read the papers? For the specific case of the Paris riots, you could check on Le Figaro (right-leaning) and Le Monde (left-leaning) – yest, both of them. I find that following two newspapers allows me to get a balanced-enough take on current events. No need to try to decipher some ultra-short quip from random people and infer the 90% of missing context on my own.
  - orbz 3y ago
    I can see the sweet spot for community-driven/social journalism: - Get updates between the new cycles. If you can get the scores for the football match in tomorrow’s paper, why even need to see the game? - Get more targeted information, i.e. my favorite pastry shop is where some stuff went down, was it impacted? Someone might have commented on that/taken photos nearby. - Get an even more unbiased opinion. Both the right and left leaning papers might have the same sponsor they happen to not make disparaging remarks about, or the local government might be able to quash things. Then again wherever you have eyeballs looking you’ll have people trying to push an agenda in the raw feed, whether it’s political, economic or clout chasing.
- j-bos 3y ago
  Given twitter is has only ever been used by a small subset of the population, I'd argue anyone aware of the twitter drama is in something of a bubble.
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- flagrant_taco 3y ago
  > Most recently, we were trying to find news about the Paris riots I've been very frustrated by this for a few years now. At least since the start of the pandemic response, I've noticed myself having a very hard time finding news on topics the BLM protests/riots, trucker rallies, Paris protests/riots, etc that didn't feel extremely controlled or moderated. Finding what seems to be unbiased updates on the war has also been particularly difficult, though that's kind of expected given that it's effectively an active hot war between Russia and Nato at this point.
bawolff 3y ago
> Are people outside of the tech industry and Politics really concerned at all with Elon or Twitter? Are people who dont care about politics the target audience of the mainstream "news"? I'm sure lots of people dont care about twitter drama but i think the people who read the publications talking about twitter drama are firmly in the camp of people who care, which is why said publications are talking about it.
- flagrant_taco 3y ago
  > Are people who dont care about politics the target audience of the mainstream "news"? Wel again I can only speak to the interactions I have with people I know, but much of my family spends an inordinate amount of time watching 24 hour news and telling me about he latest headline of the day. They don't seem to care about politics at all though, as soon as I ask questions attempting to dig deeper into the issue or political views that might lead to that stance the conversation grinds to a halt. My best read on most people that fall into the target audience of network news is that they are people more easily influenced and drawn into drama that pits one group against another. My original question regarding Twitter really was meant as a genuine question though. The only people I have had even mention Elon Must and Twitter seem to be in the tech world, I'm curious if I'm in a bit of a bubble myself and the Elon/Twitter issues do in fact reach beyond that.

hhh 3y ago

My entire friend circle is outside of tech and hate politics, and are tired of Twitter imploding. They all want something new, or at least Twitter before Elon. Most recently, we were trying to find news about the Paris riots, and there’s nothing but misinformation (videos from other riots) spammed consistently, that have no community notes, and have nothing but racist twitter blue users pushed to the top of the replies. It’s creating a huge fog of war when just trying to figure out what’s going on. It’s like all the moderation systems have just gone offline.

vladvasiliu 3y ago
Honest question, as someone who doesn't use Twitter: why don't you just read the papers? For the specific case of the Paris riots, you could check on Le Figaro (right-leaning) and Le Monde (left-leaning) – yest, both of them. I find that following two newspapers allows me to get a balanced-enough take on current events. No need to try to decipher some ultra-short quip from random people and infer the 90% of missing context on my own.
- orbz 3y ago
  I can see the sweet spot for community-driven/social journalism: - Get updates between the new cycles. If you can get the scores for the football match in tomorrow’s paper, why even need to see the game? - Get more targeted information, i.e. my favorite pastry shop is where some stuff went down, was it impacted? Someone might have commented on that/taken photos nearby. - Get an even more unbiased opinion. Both the right and left leaning papers might have the same sponsor they happen to not make disparaging remarks about, or the local government might be able to quash things. Then again wherever you have eyeballs looking you’ll have people trying to push an agenda in the raw feed, whether it’s political, economic or clout chasing.
j-bos 3y ago
Given twitter is has only ever been used by a small subset of the population, I'd argue anyone aware of the twitter drama is in something of a bubble.
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flagrant_taco 3y ago
> Most recently, we were trying to find news about the Paris riots I've been very frustrated by this for a few years now. At least since the start of the pandemic response, I've noticed myself having a very hard time finding news on topics the BLM protests/riots, trucker rallies, Paris protests/riots, etc that didn't feel extremely controlled or moderated. Finding what seems to be unbiased updates on the war has also been particularly difficult, though that's kind of expected given that it's effectively an active hot war between Russia and Nato at this point.

bawolff 3y ago

> Are people outside of the tech industry and Politics really concerned at all with Elon or Twitter? Are people who dont care about politics the target audience of the mainstream "news"? I'm sure lots of people dont care about twitter drama but i think the people who read the publications talking about twitter drama are firmly in the camp of people who care, which is why said publications are talking about it.

flagrant_taco 3y ago
> Are people who dont care about politics the target audience of the mainstream "news"? Wel again I can only speak to the interactions I have with people I know, but much of my family spends an inordinate amount of time watching 24 hour news and telling me about he latest headline of the day. They don't seem to care about politics at all though, as soon as I ask questions attempting to dig deeper into the issue or political views that might lead to that stance the conversation grinds to a halt. My best read on most people that fall into the target audience of network news is that they are people more easily influenced and drawn into drama that pits one group against another. My original question regarding Twitter really was meant as a genuine question though. The only people I have had even mention Elon Must and Twitter seem to be in the tech world, I'm curious if I'm in a bit of a bubble myself and the Elon/Twitter issues do in fact reach beyond that.