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Who would have thought mind altering, addictive substances available legally would lead to degeneration in society and transform productive people into high see

Who would have thought mind altering, addictive substances available legally would lead to degeneration in society and transform productive people into high seeking bums ?

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pas 3y ago
Caffeine and alcohol both available legally, both are mind altering and addictive. Did that lead to a degeneration? How come they transform some but not all people into bums? Is it like a virus, some are immune? Does the data for alcohol-addicts look like data for epidemics? Maybe the transformation happens due to some other reason?
- yakubin 3y ago
  > Caffeine and alcohol both available legally, both are mind altering and addictive. Did that lead to a degeneration? Alcohol: absolutely? How many parents beat their children/spouses under the influence of alcohol, but never sober? How many kill others under the influence while driving?
  - pas 3y ago
    Is that a "degeneration"? People were drinking hundreds of years ago too and there has been a lot of progress despite the availability of alcohol. (The fact that we managed to get to a point where we finally think alcohol is bad is itself, I argue, a sign of progress.) I'm not saying it's great, I'm saying that it's legal, and it should be, and other drugs also should be, and enforcement of responsible use should be a priority.
- kumarvvr 3y ago
  Alcohol is extremely destructive to society in many seen and unseen ways. Why would you even think alcohol has no negative effects on society?
  - pas 3y ago
    I said no such thing. I know it's destructive (especially with the ban on other substances leading to an overconsumption), but it did not lead to a degeneration. And as studies came to light, as the scientific consensus slowly but surely arrives at the "most likely no safe amount" conclusion, it gets less and less glamorized in TV shows, and young people are already drinking less (probably because they're on tiktok and screens instead). Despite all the advertisement for alcohol.

Who would have thought mind altering, addictive substances available legally would lead to degeneration in society and transform productive people into high seeking bums ?

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pas 3y ago

Caffeine and alcohol both available legally, both are mind altering and addictive. Did that lead to a degeneration? How come they transform some but not all people into bums? Is it like a virus, some are immune? Does the data for alcohol-addicts look like data for epidemics? Maybe the transformation happens due to some other reason?

yakubin 3y ago
> Caffeine and alcohol both available legally, both are mind altering and addictive. Did that lead to a degeneration? Alcohol: absolutely? How many parents beat their children/spouses under the influence of alcohol, but never sober? How many kill others under the influence while driving?
- pas 3y ago
  Is that a "degeneration"? People were drinking hundreds of years ago too and there has been a lot of progress despite the availability of alcohol. (The fact that we managed to get to a point where we finally think alcohol is bad is itself, I argue, a sign of progress.) I'm not saying it's great, I'm saying that it's legal, and it should be, and other drugs also should be, and enforcement of responsible use should be a priority.
kumarvvr 3y ago
Alcohol is extremely destructive to society in many seen and unseen ways. Why would you even think alcohol has no negative effects on society?
- pas 3y ago
  I said no such thing. I know it's destructive (especially with the ban on other substances leading to an overconsumption), but it did not lead to a degeneration. And as studies came to light, as the scientific consensus slowly but surely arrives at the "most likely no safe amount" conclusion, it gets less and less glamorized in TV shows, and young people are already drinking less (probably because they're on tiktok and screens instead). Despite all the advertisement for alcohol.