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USSR did that. USSR collapsed. 250M of people suffered, more than 30M died. Rinse and repeat.

oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
You would never apply this attitude to programming. "Well, I got a segfault, better never touch this C language again..."
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  > You would never apply this attitude to programming Really? 30 million deaths wouldn't give you pause? Therac-25 killed or injured 6 people and we still talk about that. Communism doesn't deserve another chance.
  - palata 3y ago
    Because you think that no non-communist system has ever killed anyone? The point of the parent is that the fact that USSR collapsed does not mean communism (or any kind of less liberal system, for that matter) is fundamentally bad. Just like getting a crash does not mean that the language is fundamentally bad. What about this one, following your reasoning: "The Nazi were producing cars, and the Nazi brought us into a world war. Therefore no one should ever produce cars again".
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      Communism is bad because communists think the ends justify the means and (as you are demonstrating) shamelessly excuse tens of millions of murders (proving they've learned nothing and will do it again when given the chance.)
      - oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
        I don't think communists "think the ends justify the means" any more than capitalists do, probably less if anything.
        mcpackieh 3y ago
        We've got a communist in this thread being dismissive of 30 million dead. Communism is morally an intellectually bankrupt. It's an ideology for the bitter and depraved.
        oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
        Do we? You can't mean me since I haven't referred to 30 million dead. How many have died under capitalism?
        oneshtein 3y ago
        Liberal capitalism prohibits that. Value of human life is equal to infinity, except when in war. Utilitarian or «wild» capitalism did lot of harm to peoples and environment. For example, selling of addictive drugs is very profitable business, which kills or disables people.
      - palata 3y ago
        You obviously have absolutely no idea what communists think, and what "communism" means. What you are demonstrating is that it is impossible to talk with you. Not sure if that is because you can't understand a basic sentence or just because you aren't open to even learn what a word means before making completely wrong conclusions, but I don't care. We won't have a constructive discussion, let's stop here.
        oneshtein 3y ago
        Communists think that it possible to build communism by killing of «bad» (rich) people, until good people, liberated from burden of capitalism, will build communism. In their imagination, it's OK to kill 30% of population to build heaven for them.
        palata 3y ago
        Sounds like what I imagine when looking of a cliché about what people learn in the US. Are you from the US? And is it really what you're being taught there? Genuinely interested.
        oneshtein 3y ago
        No, I born in the USSR.
        mcpackieh 3y ago
        "That wasn't real communism, you have to let us murder tens of millions of people again!"
palata 3y ago
You do realize that reducing inequalities is not exactly equivalent to "pure communism theory", which is again not exactly equivalent to "USSR"? Or is that all the same to you?

You would never apply this attitude to programming. "Well, I got a segfault, better never touch this C language again..."

mcpackieh 3y ago
> You would never apply this attitude to programming Really? 30 million deaths wouldn't give you pause? Therac-25 killed or injured 6 people and we still talk about that. Communism doesn't deserve another chance.
- palata 3y ago
  Because you think that no non-communist system has ever killed anyone? The point of the parent is that the fact that USSR collapsed does not mean communism (or any kind of less liberal system, for that matter) is fundamentally bad. Just like getting a crash does not mean that the language is fundamentally bad. What about this one, following your reasoning: "The Nazi were producing cars, and the Nazi brought us into a world war. Therefore no one should ever produce cars again".
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    Communism is bad because communists think the ends justify the means and (as you are demonstrating) shamelessly excuse tens of millions of murders (proving they've learned nothing and will do it again when given the chance.)
    - oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
      I don't think communists "think the ends justify the means" any more than capitalists do, probably less if anything.
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        We've got a communist in this thread being dismissive of 30 million dead. Communism is morally an intellectually bankrupt. It's an ideology for the bitter and depraved.
        oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
        Do we? You can't mean me since I haven't referred to 30 million dead. How many have died under capitalism?
        oneshtein 3y ago
        Liberal capitalism prohibits that. Value of human life is equal to infinity, except when in war. Utilitarian or «wild» capitalism did lot of harm to peoples and environment. For example, selling of addictive drugs is very profitable business, which kills or disables people.
    - palata 3y ago
      You obviously have absolutely no idea what communists think, and what "communism" means. What you are demonstrating is that it is impossible to talk with you. Not sure if that is because you can't understand a basic sentence or just because you aren't open to even learn what a word means before making completely wrong conclusions, but I don't care. We won't have a constructive discussion, let's stop here.
      - oneshtein 3y ago
        Communists think that it possible to build communism by killing of «bad» (rich) people, until good people, liberated from burden of capitalism, will build communism. In their imagination, it's OK to kill 30% of population to build heaven for them.
        palata 3y ago
        Sounds like what I imagine when looking of a cliché about what people learn in the US. Are you from the US? And is it really what you're being taught there? Genuinely interested.
        oneshtein 3y ago
        No, I born in the USSR.
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        "That wasn't real communism, you have to let us murder tens of millions of people again!"

palata 3y ago

You do realize that reducing inequalities is not exactly equivalent to "pure communism theory", which is again not exactly equivalent to "USSR"? Or is that all the same to you?