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What does "people like him" mean, is that some racist dog whistle? > you’d already decided that it’s okay Before I heard his race, yes. Based on the fact that

What does "people like him" mean, is that some racist dog whistle? > you’d already decided that it’s okay Before I heard his race, yes. Based on the fact that he'd risked people's lives before they stopped him and he was trying to flee to do it again. The police gave him a warning and a chance to surrender. > to murder [him] Shooting a violent criminal to prevent imminent further violence is the epitome of justification. > I just want you to know that no one is actually fooled. I assure you, no fooling, that I'd support shooting whatever color of criminal was driving the car. My thoughts are with the pedestrians they nearly hit and those people's families, and the police officers who risked their safety to stop him.

jakelazaroff 3y ago
A “violent criminal” who had never hurt anyone or been convicted of a crime? Whatever you say, man. It’s pretty clear what you’re doing here. We’re not going to be able to agree, so I’m ducking out.
- LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
  Joyriding and fleeing police at high speed through a city is a violent crime. He doesn't have to be convicted - they witnessed it. They told him he'd be stopped and yet he chose to endanger more people trying to escape lawful custody. > never [...] been convicted of a crime That's the injustice. He'd been arrested for resisting arrest just the weekend before and if they treated him properly he'd have still been locked up - unable to get himself killed. > Whatever you say, man. It’s pretty clear what you’re doing here. You're race baiting. You're taking something an entirely understandable reaction to violent crime that happened between two people of the same race and are distorting the facts to play it up as some systemic white supremacy despite that a whole country has been thrown into violence and people have already died for that lie. You're trying to get people killed and stoke tensions to support your politics at home because the lives of these people (French people, sit down) are worth so little to you that it's a game. But please, do go on about what I'm doing.
  - shadowgovt 3y ago
    > arrested for resisting arrest Oh, so all the justification the police need to strip someone of their rights (or life) is to... Say they need to be stripped of their rights (or life)? Who has the power in France? The People or the cops?
    - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
      The police have the power to strip someone of (some of) their rights. It's called arrest. Since there are people out there who won't respond to a stern glare, that power is kind of necessary. Now here's someone who resists arrest. Yes, the police have the power to use violence in that situation. What's your alternative? A stern glare?
      - shadowgovt 3y ago
        Arrest is a fine power. Resisting arrest as a crime independent of other crimes is nonsense. If they have no right to detain you, they have no right to detain you, period.
        LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
        Ackshually, no. They have the legal power to detain you for the purposes of figuring out if they need to arrest you. If they had to have proof, and a conviction, to show that someone was guilty before detaining them they'd never be able to arrest them to take them to court and have them convicted in the first place. What you're saying is somewhat relevant to false arrest, where a police officer is acting outside his legal role. In this case though, they had a duty to remove him, even with deadly force, from the car which he'd just risked people's lives with, above and beyond their power to arrest him after removing him from the car.
  - jakelazaroff 3y ago
    All I’ll say is that the police statement and the video of what actually happened are both available. So to anyone reading this: you can decide for yourself how reliable the cops are as witnesses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nahel_Merzouk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nahel_Merzouk

jakelazaroff 3y ago

A “violent criminal” who had never hurt anyone or been convicted of a crime? Whatever you say, man. It’s pretty clear what you’re doing here. We’re not going to be able to agree, so I’m ducking out.

LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
Joyriding and fleeing police at high speed through a city is a violent crime. He doesn't have to be convicted - they witnessed it. They told him he'd be stopped and yet he chose to endanger more people trying to escape lawful custody. > never [...] been convicted of a crime That's the injustice. He'd been arrested for resisting arrest just the weekend before and if they treated him properly he'd have still been locked up - unable to get himself killed. > Whatever you say, man. It’s pretty clear what you’re doing here. You're race baiting. You're taking something an entirely understandable reaction to violent crime that happened between two people of the same race and are distorting the facts to play it up as some systemic white supremacy despite that a whole country has been thrown into violence and people have already died for that lie. You're trying to get people killed and stoke tensions to support your politics at home because the lives of these people (French people, sit down) are worth so little to you that it's a game. But please, do go on about what I'm doing.
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  > arrested for resisting arrest Oh, so all the justification the police need to strip someone of their rights (or life) is to... Say they need to be stripped of their rights (or life)? Who has the power in France? The People or the cops?
  - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
    The police have the power to strip someone of (some of) their rights. It's called arrest. Since there are people out there who won't respond to a stern glare, that power is kind of necessary. Now here's someone who resists arrest. Yes, the police have the power to use violence in that situation. What's your alternative? A stern glare?
    - shadowgovt 3y ago
      Arrest is a fine power. Resisting arrest as a crime independent of other crimes is nonsense. If they have no right to detain you, they have no right to detain you, period.
      - LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
        Ackshually, no. They have the legal power to detain you for the purposes of figuring out if they need to arrest you. If they had to have proof, and a conviction, to show that someone was guilty before detaining them they'd never be able to arrest them to take them to court and have them convicted in the first place. What you're saying is somewhat relevant to false arrest, where a police officer is acting outside his legal role. In this case though, they had a duty to remove him, even with deadly force, from the car which he'd just risked people's lives with, above and beyond their power to arrest him after removing him from the car.
- jakelazaroff 3y ago
  All I’ll say is that the police statement and the video of what actually happened are both available. So to anyone reading this: you can decide for yourself how reliable the cops are as witnesses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nahel_Merzouk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nahel_Merzouk