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I thought that rar was used so that the capper could split the archive across multiple files and begin uploading the content before the show was over.

by dfc 15y ago

tvon 15y ago
I believe it's for non-torrent sharing methods such as NNTP (since you can't, I guess, upload hundreds of megabytes of data to a newsgroup in a single post).
- cultureulterior 15y ago
  That's why you use yenc. Personally, I believe it's to do with now bypassed limitations of parity programs.
- dfc 15y ago
  Everything about the scene is for non-torrent sharing (atleast public / largescale distribution). The scene groups hate public torrent sites/users.
- tonfa 15y ago
  I don't think there are messages with more than 500k on NNTP, a single RAR file won't fit (so theoretically you could encode a 700M file in yenc).
- methoddk 15y ago
  This has nothing to do with NNTP, BT, P2P. All FXP to distributed FTP servers. The RARs are split so that if one server in the farm goes down, the whole release isn't corrupted. Same for transferring the data. "Racers" move the els to multiple servers. Split RARs allow for multiple people to be moving parts of the same els at the same time.
spindritf 15y ago
It seems problematic to set up and could cause nukes for incomplete releases with the slightest mistake or network failure on the capper's part (with the accompanying displeasure of sites' admins). And he would have to do everything on his own -- the capping, the encoding, the packaging. Also, I don't know how hard the tv groups are pushing for early release but usually the content is uploaded to the group's server and only then pushed to affiliated top sites at the same time. Obviously, it's all hearsay so you may be right.
- dfc 15y ago
  Respectfully I think I am right: "I don't know how hard the tv groups are pushing for early release" Why do you think they are called racers? "Early release" as you call it is the reason for the season... "He would have to do everything on his own -- the capping, the encoding, the packaging." This does not make any sense to me. Who would have to X?
  - spindritf 15y ago
    > Why do you think they are called racers? They're not. Cappers and racers are different people. It used to be that racers weren't even affiliated with the release group, just people moving stuff between sites for upload credit. > Who would have to X? The same person would have to do all the work involved in making a release. Usually, there's a division of labour: different person provides the source, someone else encodes it, someone else takes care of coordinating the release and so on.
    - dfc 15y ago
      "They're not. Cappers and racers are different people. It used to be that racers weren't even affiliated with the release group, just people moving stuff between sites for upload credit." Okay let me rephrase: "why do you think there are people called racers and/or what do you think pretime is all about?" "The same person would have to do all the work involved in making a release. Usually, there's a division of labour: different person provides the source, someone else encodes it, someone else takes care of coordinating the release and so on." For TV releases? Not a chance. Any decent private torrent site has the TV releases seeding within three minutes of the credits rolling. The capper is the encoder and the someone else taking care of distribution coordination is a bot...
      - notatoad 15y ago
        you seem confused on the distinction between the scene and P2P. pretimes have nothing to do with this. the torrent sites aren't the ones doing the capping, encoding, or releasing. when you see on your torrent site that a show has a pre-time of three minutes, that's the time it took to grab the show from a scene FTP topsite, download it, make a torrent, and upload the .torrent file to whatever site you are using. when a torrent 'pres' is when the scene releases it. before the pretime, the torrent is encoded, rar'd and FTPd to a scene FTP dump. the reason that split rar files are used is so that the scene uploader only has to upload the first chunk before they can claim credit and other groups can begin to download. if the release was uploaded all in one piece, it would have to be uploaded completely before anybody could start to download it. with split rars, other groups can have the file almost completely downloaded by the time it is completely uploaded.
efraim 15y ago
The archives has to be assembled into one file with at least two encoding passes, is that even possible if you don't have the entire show captured?
aes256 15y ago
That's a practice called segmenting. Some groups do it, some don't. There used to be a group named NOsegmenT who were staunchly opposed to the practice and included a little diatribe against it in all of their NFOs. Also bear in mind that some groups have (in the past, at least) had pre-air sources. LOL/DIMENSION, one of the most well-known TV groups, were called out on the practice of obtaining shows from a pre-air source then manually adding television station graphics a couple of years ago. They would "pre" their releases almost instantaneously after they finished airing.

I thought that rar was used so that the capper could split the archive across multiple files and begin uploading the content before the show was over.

by dfc 15y ago

I thought that rar was used so that the capper could split the archive across multiple files and begin uploading the content before the show was over.

tvon 15y ago

I believe it's for non-torrent sharing methods such as NNTP (since you can't, I guess, upload hundreds of megabytes of data to a newsgroup in a single post).

cultureulterior 15y ago
That's why you use yenc. Personally, I believe it's to do with now bypassed limitations of parity programs.
dfc 15y ago
Everything about the scene is for non-torrent sharing (atleast public / largescale distribution). The scene groups hate public torrent sites/users.
tonfa 15y ago
I don't think there are messages with more than 500k on NNTP, a single RAR file won't fit (so theoretically you could encode a 700M file in yenc).
methoddk 15y ago
This has nothing to do with NNTP, BT, P2P. All FXP to distributed FTP servers. The RARs are split so that if one server in the farm goes down, the whole release isn't corrupted. Same for transferring the data. "Racers" move the els to multiple servers. Split RARs allow for multiple people to be moving parts of the same els at the same time.

spindritf 15y ago

It seems problematic to set up and could cause nukes for incomplete releases with the slightest mistake or network failure on the capper's part (with the accompanying displeasure of sites' admins). And he would have to do everything on his own -- the capping, the encoding, the packaging. Also, I don't know how hard the tv groups are pushing for early release but usually the content is uploaded to the group's server and only then pushed to affiliated top sites at the same time. Obviously, it's all hearsay so you may be right.

dfc 15y ago
Respectfully I think I am right: "I don't know how hard the tv groups are pushing for early release" Why do you think they are called racers? "Early release" as you call it is the reason for the season... "He would have to do everything on his own -- the capping, the encoding, the packaging." This does not make any sense to me. Who would have to X?
- spindritf 15y ago
  > Why do you think they are called racers? They're not. Cappers and racers are different people. It used to be that racers weren't even affiliated with the release group, just people moving stuff between sites for upload credit. > Who would have to X? The same person would have to do all the work involved in making a release. Usually, there's a division of labour: different person provides the source, someone else encodes it, someone else takes care of coordinating the release and so on.
  - dfc 15y ago
    "They're not. Cappers and racers are different people. It used to be that racers weren't even affiliated with the release group, just people moving stuff between sites for upload credit." Okay let me rephrase: "why do you think there are people called racers and/or what do you think pretime is all about?" "The same person would have to do all the work involved in making a release. Usually, there's a division of labour: different person provides the source, someone else encodes it, someone else takes care of coordinating the release and so on." For TV releases? Not a chance. Any decent private torrent site has the TV releases seeding within three minutes of the credits rolling. The capper is the encoder and the someone else taking care of distribution coordination is a bot...
    - notatoad 15y ago
      you seem confused on the distinction between the scene and P2P. pretimes have nothing to do with this. the torrent sites aren't the ones doing the capping, encoding, or releasing. when you see on your torrent site that a show has a pre-time of three minutes, that's the time it took to grab the show from a scene FTP topsite, download it, make a torrent, and upload the .torrent file to whatever site you are using. when a torrent 'pres' is when the scene releases it. before the pretime, the torrent is encoded, rar'd and FTPd to a scene FTP dump. the reason that split rar files are used is so that the scene uploader only has to upload the first chunk before they can claim credit and other groups can begin to download. if the release was uploaded all in one piece, it would have to be uploaded completely before anybody could start to download it. with split rars, other groups can have the file almost completely downloaded by the time it is completely uploaded.

efraim 15y ago

The archives has to be assembled into one file with at least two encoding passes, is that even possible if you don't have the entire show captured?

aes256 15y ago

That's a practice called segmenting. Some groups do it, some don't. There used to be a group named NOsegmenT who were staunchly opposed to the practice and included a little diatribe against it in all of their NFOs. Also bear in mind that some groups have (in the past, at least) had pre-air sources. LOL/DIMENSION, one of the most well-known TV groups, were called out on the practice of obtaining shows from a pre-air source then manually adding television station graphics a couple of years ago. They would "pre" their releases almost instantaneously after they finished airing.