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> Someone smoking something doesn't bother me, unless maybe if I can smell it, then it bothers me very, very slightly. Read up about the dangers of second and

> Someone smoking something doesn't bother me, unless maybe if I can smell it, then it bothers me very, very slightly. Read up about the dangers of second and third degree smoking. > The same way someone drinking a beer in public doesn't bother me. How could it? Perhaps those who've had family or friends killed by drunk driving or drunken homicide might have something else to say.

RoyalHenOil 3y ago
>Perhaps those who've had family or friends killed by drunk driving or drunken homicide might have something else to say. A guy I used to date was rear-ended while waiting at a red light by someone who was texting while driving. It was an extremely serious wreck (the person who hit him did not brake at all, ge was so absorbed in his phone), and my ex was lucky to survive it. But people texting on their phones in public places doesn't bother him. He is not in favor of making SMS illegal. That would be utterly absurd.
- scaramanga 3y ago
  Yes, but these people thrive on inflicting sadistic "treatments" and "remedies" on everyone more vulnerable than themselves. They're not interested in responsible driving, they're just looking for any excuse for their sadism. Note that the discussion isn't even about dangerous driving, that's a complete tangent. It's about whether drug use _per se_ is criminalized. Not even legal, just whether the remedy for drug use should be help or punishment. Portugal never decriminalize or legalised vehicular homicide.
  - RoyalHenOil 3y ago
    That sure is what it looks like.
- nprateem 3y ago
  Texting while driving isn't illegal in your country?
  - RoyalHenOil 3y ago
    Of course it's illegal. So is drinking and driving. But texting in public is legal, and having a beer in public is legal. Just because something is dangerous while driving doesn't mean it's harmful under all other circumstances.
oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
> Perhaps those who've had family or friends killed by drunk driving or drunken homicide might have something else to say. The offence in that case isn't the drink, it's the driving. Maybe we should ban driving.
- za3faran 3y ago
  I also mentioned homicides in my post, not just driving, do you want to ban human relationships as well? The dangers of alcohol at all levels have been quite well documented.
Broken_Hippo 3y ago
Perhaps those who've had family or friends killed by drunk driving or drunken homicide might have something else to say. Maybe, but they aren't the folks we should be listening to. I don't drive: I'm pretty sure I'll be OK drinking a beer in public. My decision shouldn't be influenced by those folks. I don't see many of those people pushing a robust, fare-free public transportation system to help with those either.
- za3faran 3y ago
  This is the approach of trying to address the symptoms and not the cause. I also mention homicides in my post, but some people are conveniently ignoring it. The dangers of alcohol have been well documented.
  - Broken_Hippo 3y ago
    In general, me drinking a beer doesn't harm you, though. At all. And this is true for the vast majority of people. I suspect you think the cause is the alcohol: But realistically, it is that people don't always plan ahead. As far as drunk driving is concerned, robust transport would be a step in the right direction. Especially in the countryside and small towns - in the US, these are filled with bars but no transport. The link with homocides isn't nearly as clear. More people drink alcohol than other drugs and from what I could find, it might be a part of a series of events than anything else, at least in the US. If it doesn't hold to other places, then I'll dismiss it. Prohibiting alcohol in public simply isn't going to help, and we've seen what complete prohibition does. Do you have an actual solution that doesn't drive it underground? I'd personally start with improving people's lives in general so that there is less stress all around - at least that stuff we can do something about.
    - za3faran 3y ago
      All it takes is one drunk driving incident or one drunken homicide incident to turn your life around, which I hope no one has to face. Majority or no majority, the facts and statistics speak quite well about the topic. As discussed in another thread about prohibition of alcohol, the main solution is to change the perception of people and have a common goal to get behind. Life will always be stressful. As an anecdote, today due to many factors including continued occupation and external meddling, even the most war torn countries in the Middle East such as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan continue to have very low suicide rates, and drinking is not something common as it is prohibited in Islam.
standardUser 3y ago
Please tell me in GREAT detail the exact dangers of someone smoking on the sidewalk while I walk by. Odds are there are no studies to reference because the entire idea is idiotic on its face and no one would ever both studying it.

RoyalHenOil 3y ago

>Perhaps those who've had family or friends killed by drunk driving or drunken homicide might have something else to say. A guy I used to date was rear-ended while waiting at a red light by someone who was texting while driving. It was an extremely serious wreck (the person who hit him did not brake at all, ge was so absorbed in his phone), and my ex was lucky to survive it. But people texting on their phones in public places doesn't bother him. He is not in favor of making SMS illegal. That would be utterly absurd.

scaramanga 3y ago
Yes, but these people thrive on inflicting sadistic "treatments" and "remedies" on everyone more vulnerable than themselves. They're not interested in responsible driving, they're just looking for any excuse for their sadism. Note that the discussion isn't even about dangerous driving, that's a complete tangent. It's about whether drug use _per se_ is criminalized. Not even legal, just whether the remedy for drug use should be help or punishment. Portugal never decriminalize or legalised vehicular homicide.
- RoyalHenOil 3y ago
  That sure is what it looks like.
nprateem 3y ago
Texting while driving isn't illegal in your country?
- RoyalHenOil 3y ago
  Of course it's illegal. So is drinking and driving. But texting in public is legal, and having a beer in public is legal. Just because something is dangerous while driving doesn't mean it's harmful under all other circumstances.

oneeyedpigeon 3y ago

> Perhaps those who've had family or friends killed by drunk driving or drunken homicide might have something else to say. The offence in that case isn't the drink, it's the driving. Maybe we should ban driving.

za3faran 3y ago
I also mentioned homicides in my post, not just driving, do you want to ban human relationships as well? The dangers of alcohol at all levels have been quite well documented.

Broken_Hippo 3y ago

Perhaps those who've had family or friends killed by drunk driving or drunken homicide might have something else to say. Maybe, but they aren't the folks we should be listening to. I don't drive: I'm pretty sure I'll be OK drinking a beer in public. My decision shouldn't be influenced by those folks. I don't see many of those people pushing a robust, fare-free public transportation system to help with those either.

za3faran 3y ago
This is the approach of trying to address the symptoms and not the cause. I also mention homicides in my post, but some people are conveniently ignoring it. The dangers of alcohol have been well documented.
- Broken_Hippo 3y ago
  In general, me drinking a beer doesn't harm you, though. At all. And this is true for the vast majority of people. I suspect you think the cause is the alcohol: But realistically, it is that people don't always plan ahead. As far as drunk driving is concerned, robust transport would be a step in the right direction. Especially in the countryside and small towns - in the US, these are filled with bars but no transport. The link with homocides isn't nearly as clear. More people drink alcohol than other drugs and from what I could find, it might be a part of a series of events than anything else, at least in the US. If it doesn't hold to other places, then I'll dismiss it. Prohibiting alcohol in public simply isn't going to help, and we've seen what complete prohibition does. Do you have an actual solution that doesn't drive it underground? I'd personally start with improving people's lives in general so that there is less stress all around - at least that stuff we can do something about.
  - za3faran 3y ago
    All it takes is one drunk driving incident or one drunken homicide incident to turn your life around, which I hope no one has to face. Majority or no majority, the facts and statistics speak quite well about the topic. As discussed in another thread about prohibition of alcohol, the main solution is to change the perception of people and have a common goal to get behind. Life will always be stressful. As an anecdote, today due to many factors including continued occupation and external meddling, even the most war torn countries in the Middle East such as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan continue to have very low suicide rates, and drinking is not something common as it is prohibited in Islam.

standardUser 3y ago

Please tell me in GREAT detail the exact dangers of someone smoking on the sidewalk while I walk by. Odds are there are no studies to reference because the entire idea is idiotic on its face and no one would ever both studying it.