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Have you seen how much San Francisco and Seattle have improved with drug tolerant policies?

belval 3y ago
This is the new "but that was not TRUE communism". The more tolerant places are overrun with drug users and homeless camps yet their supporters online will say "but if we provided more money for housing and decriminalized all drugs, now that would solve the issue".
- jurynulifcation 3y ago
  Why should the least responsible drug users be the standard measurement?
  - belval 3y ago
    There's a debate to be had on that for sure. I'm not for prohibition, I voted to legalize cannabis (even though I don't consume it) because it didn't seem much worse than alcohol and realistically once 50%+ of you population has tried it, that ship has sailed. Some people claim it helps them relax, sleep, etc... Now with that said, crack, meth and heroin are not "social drugs" and are not compatible with a healthy society. They are strongly addictive and cause permanent damage. You might disagree (and that's fine), but I don't see how making those legally available outside of addiction treatment facility will lead to favourable societal outcomes in any meaningful way.
    - oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
      > it didn't seem much worse than alcohol Honestly, I don't think anyone can seriously claim it is anywhere near as bad as alcohol, other than in two regards: smoking isn't great for you (but that's a method problem, not a substance one) and the smell in public (which is a minor issue and, again, one that can be mitigated). By any other measure - addiction, short-term and long-term harms, indirect harm to third-parties - alcohol is worse.
  - joiqj 3y ago
    Because they are the ones who cause the most trouble.
- localplume 3y ago
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ChainOfFools 3y ago
Or the person you're responding to is being sarcastic
- Izkata 3y ago
  I don't know about them, but it is a real argument. It's roughly based on Prohibition vs being able to buy alcohol in stores.
jrflowers 3y ago
Wait you can buy drugs at the grocery store in those cities?
siffin 3y ago
Have you seen how many people are being left behind everyday by the economy, leaving them nothing else to feel good about except maybe some drugs? What makes you think that drug use has anything much to do at all with drug policy? People take drugs because society is shit, not because of the rule of law.
- dist-epoch 3y ago
  This goes both ways. Society also becomes shit because people take drugs.

This is the new "but that was not TRUE communism". The more tolerant places are overrun with drug users and homeless camps yet their supporters online will say "but if we provided more money for housing and decriminalized all drugs, now that would solve the issue".

jurynulifcation 3y ago
Why should the least responsible drug users be the standard measurement?
- belval 3y ago
  There's a debate to be had on that for sure. I'm not for prohibition, I voted to legalize cannabis (even though I don't consume it) because it didn't seem much worse than alcohol and realistically once 50%+ of you population has tried it, that ship has sailed. Some people claim it helps them relax, sleep, etc... Now with that said, crack, meth and heroin are not "social drugs" and are not compatible with a healthy society. They are strongly addictive and cause permanent damage. You might disagree (and that's fine), but I don't see how making those legally available outside of addiction treatment facility will lead to favourable societal outcomes in any meaningful way.
  - oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
    > it didn't seem much worse than alcohol Honestly, I don't think anyone can seriously claim it is anywhere near as bad as alcohol, other than in two regards: smoking isn't great for you (but that's a method problem, not a substance one) and the smell in public (which is a minor issue and, again, one that can be mitigated). By any other measure - addiction, short-term and long-term harms, indirect harm to third-parties - alcohol is worse.
- joiqj 3y ago
  Because they are the ones who cause the most trouble.
localplume 3y ago
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ChainOfFools 3y ago

Or the person you're responding to is being sarcastic

Izkata 3y ago
I don't know about them, but it is a real argument. It's roughly based on Prohibition vs being able to buy alcohol in stores.

jrflowers 3y ago

Wait you can buy drugs at the grocery store in those cities?

siffin 3y ago

Have you seen how many people are being left behind everyday by the economy, leaving them nothing else to feel good about except maybe some drugs? What makes you think that drug use has anything much to do at all with drug policy? People take drugs because society is shit, not because of the rule of law.

dist-epoch 3y ago
This goes both ways. Society also becomes shit because people take drugs.