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Don't shoot the messenger, the condescension is Go and Pike's. He pretty much explicitly said he wrote Go to solve the problem of programmers who he considered

Don't shoot the messenger, the condescension is Go and Pike's. He pretty much explicitly said he wrote Go to solve the problem of programmers who he considered too stupid to program anything else properly, and his behaviour (both in personal conduct and decision making) has continued this trend of treating his users like idiot sheep who can't be trusted with any language features much beyond 80s imperative programming. It all feels a bit "old man spiteful at kids these days"

trane_project 3y ago
Rob Pike once told me I was a moron (not those exact words) but that intent when I asked a question in some performance Golang slack about how big a Golang map is in memory (as in the total bytes used by it internally). He went to a previous commit from the one I had linked, saw my stupid attempt at estimating it, and proceeded to go on a rant in which he simultaneously called me an idiot and pointed to the answers in the runtime code. Pretty entertaining. Of course, the code was stupid because I wrote it knowingly so, just so I could fill the function with compilable code and go debug something else. I guess not writing a comment is on me for not knowing Rob Pike was going to go out of his way to find it the next day. Fun day at the office, that one. So yeah, I am not the greatest fan of Go or him either. But that was from way before when I had to write a JSON-LD parsing library and cast stuff to `interface{}` everywhere. I write personal stuff in Rust now, but would happily do it in any other language with a proper toolchain and type system. Go has only one of those, so I don't dislike it. Just don't really enjoy it.
philosopher1234 3y ago
The Rob Pike quote is accurate and not condescending. If it bristles your feathers, I think that may have more to do with your ego than Rob pike.
- jjtheblunt 3y ago
  That’s a curious assertion in that oft maligned quote. I agree that it’s not meant to be condescending. Go is very much AT&T Limbo from plan 9, with loose ends wrapped up and refined on Google’s dime, since Google brought Bell Labs people and their projects to Google, and the quote is therefore a purposefully misleading retrofitting of a history and design predating any concern about noob hires at Google.
  - jjtheblunt 3y ago
    p.s. (since i can't edit) Go compiles to native instead of to a vm like Limbo did. evolution of the idea...

trane_project 3y ago

Rob Pike once told me I was a moron (not those exact words) but that intent when I asked a question in some performance Golang slack about how big a Golang map is in memory (as in the total bytes used by it internally). He went to a previous commit from the one I had linked, saw my stupid attempt at estimating it, and proceeded to go on a rant in which he simultaneously called me an idiot and pointed to the answers in the runtime code. Pretty entertaining. Of course, the code was stupid because I wrote it knowingly so, just so I could fill the function with compilable code and go debug something else. I guess not writing a comment is on me for not knowing Rob Pike was going to go out of his way to find it the next day. Fun day at the office, that one. So yeah, I am not the greatest fan of Go or him either. But that was from way before when I had to write a JSON-LD parsing library and cast stuff to `interface{}` everywhere. I write personal stuff in Rust now, but would happily do it in any other language with a proper toolchain and type system. Go has only one of those, so I don't dislike it. Just don't really enjoy it.

philosopher1234 3y ago

The Rob Pike quote is accurate and not condescending. If it bristles your feathers, I think that may have more to do with your ego than Rob pike.

jjtheblunt 3y ago
That’s a curious assertion in that oft maligned quote. I agree that it’s not meant to be condescending. Go is very much AT&T Limbo from plan 9, with loose ends wrapped up and refined on Google’s dime, since Google brought Bell Labs people and their projects to Google, and the quote is therefore a purposefully misleading retrofitting of a history and design predating any concern about noob hires at Google.
- jjtheblunt 3y ago
  p.s. (since i can't edit) Go compiles to native instead of to a vm like Limbo did. evolution of the idea...