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99% of the time it is not hubris, just the author missing some viewpoint/info/awareness. The author seems to have put in a lot of thought. And would be open to

99% of the time it is not hubris, just the author missing some viewpoint/info/awareness. The author seems to have put in a lot of thought. And would be open to putting in more thought if you illustrated where he is incorrect or missing info. Otherwise the content is appealing to a lot of people.

somsak2 3y ago
i think parent prefers to simply be angry than contribute to the conversation
- solarmist 3y ago
  The parents in these situation often don’t have the emotional or social skills to do more or even realize that there are options other than be angry. The parents are dysfunctional people churning out the next generation of dysfunctional people. It’s an intergenerational cycle that is nearly impossible to break.
  - solarmist 3y ago
    I’m not blaming these people, but if you grow up in a dysfunctional functional environment it is on the level of a miracle to break the cycle. You don’t know what’s wrong or where to look for help and in my case I was even proud of my parentification for making me “strong and resilient” while minimizing the bad things as a coping mechanism.
- moravak1984 3y ago
  When the author writes: > I don’t know enough to say what the best tactics are for these cases, but I have a few theories. doesn't that somewhat justify the anger of the parent comment (who presumably "knows enough")? If the author doesn't know enough about the topic, why the need to pontify? They could just stfu and have an opinion in topics on which they do have meaningful contributions. Not everyone needs to have an opinion on everything.
- balaji1 3y ago
  exactly. There are ideas in the OP article that can be taken and systematized into the high school system with the operational know-how of the parent commenter. The downstream effects of that would be incredible. We should be aiming for intervention as early as possible in the education system.
zls 3y ago
I’m gonna try to not write like a jerk here, but OP is pretty grating, so I’m sorry if I fail. Parent didn’t say so explicitly, but there’s really no blog post you can write that is “how to escape from poverty as a teen in high school.” Thus, the problems with this one are not fixable. Off top: * what’s the opening line of Anna Karenina, again? There are so many disparate challenges that poor kids can face that are more urgent than “get good exercise and send cold emails for jobs” that you couldn’t even fit them in their own book. * even writing the blog post at all assumes these kids are reading hacker news which is, uh, cavalier. there are zillions of people hawking advice that these kids would need to sift through to even decide to follow this blog. Parents, friends, teachers, influencers, Andrew fucking Tate are all prescribing life strategies, why would they listen to your blog? Moreover, if you’re an impoverished kid who has somehow found HN and for some reason values its advice, you’re already on a better track than your peers, and you likely don’t need the advice! * in fact, this blog is anti-advice for these people. Probably the single most valuable decision I made in my youth was to always refuse all peer pressure no matter what until I was out of my hometown. Peer pressure is INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS for these kids. They’re not Brock Turner, they’re not getting off easy and free because of daddy. one mistake can derail their whole lives. To read this guy say “don’t worry about peer pressure, it’s the spice of life” frankly pisses me off. The real answer for these kids, again, is to get lucky until we get our shit to get as a country to make life less treacherous and unforgiving for those with less means. Unpopular here on HN, I guess, but the US is not a meritocratic libertarian tech utopia, some situations don’t have a reliable self-directed escape strategy, and not everything can be fixed by the perfect blog post. edit: also the audacity to be like “here are some advantages of being underprivileged that you can leverage” is its own headache entire… “you won’t have to unlearn as many wrong ideas about the world”? Absolute nonsense
jjav 3y ago
> 99% of the time it is not hubris, just the author missing some viewpoint/info/awareness. That's sort of the definition of hubris. Coming to a topic they don't have anywhere near enough knowledge but assuming they know it all because they put some thought into it.
- balaji1 3y ago
  Maybe that's the definition of hubris. But the tone of the above comment was too abrasive. > genuinely awed by the hubris it requires to just plow ahead that tone sounded more like hubris plus other expletives.
  - thrixton 3y ago
    Or maybe they actually do have the experience and are sick and tired of people trotting out trite advice which is at best ignored and at worst draws attention away from the real issues by focusing people on useless advice which can be used as another stick to bash those less fortunate with. Sometimes abrasiveness is warranted.
  - dmvdoug 3y ago
    Perhaps it was too abrasive. Hubris? No, I don't have any amount of confidence to drive me to offer big, system-wide solutions. Because schooling and its issues are incredibly complicated and bring into play much, much more than just what happens inside the walls of a school building. One trivial example: students in Title I schools (read: poverty) have much higher rates of chronic health conditions. That's not really an issue in our wheelhouse, as a school, and yet we very much have to deal with it continuously. Pretty much everything in a student's environment, including their past, affects school, since school is where they spend most of their day. Yet people think you can just ignore all that and focus on teaching specific content or skills. Like kids are, academically, brains in vats, untouched by environment or circumstance.
    - balaji1 3y ago
      I have already given credit to your know-how in this domain in another comment. You would be 99th percentile in knowledge, passion and experience compared to others around here. But maybe there are few ideas from the article we wished implemented in all schools. The author comes from a place of good intention. Sustained initiative from people like yourself, backed by policy and support from the government can do wonders. And I and most people in this thread are grateful for what you do on the ground level already.

somsak2 3y ago

i think parent prefers to simply be angry than contribute to the conversation

solarmist 3y ago
The parents in these situation often don’t have the emotional or social skills to do more or even realize that there are options other than be angry. The parents are dysfunctional people churning out the next generation of dysfunctional people. It’s an intergenerational cycle that is nearly impossible to break.
- solarmist 3y ago
  I’m not blaming these people, but if you grow up in a dysfunctional functional environment it is on the level of a miracle to break the cycle. You don’t know what’s wrong or where to look for help and in my case I was even proud of my parentification for making me “strong and resilient” while minimizing the bad things as a coping mechanism.
moravak1984 3y ago
When the author writes: > I don’t know enough to say what the best tactics are for these cases, but I have a few theories. doesn't that somewhat justify the anger of the parent comment (who presumably "knows enough")? If the author doesn't know enough about the topic, why the need to pontify? They could just stfu and have an opinion in topics on which they do have meaningful contributions. Not everyone needs to have an opinion on everything.
balaji1 3y ago
exactly. There are ideas in the OP article that can be taken and systematized into the high school system with the operational know-how of the parent commenter. The downstream effects of that would be incredible. We should be aiming for intervention as early as possible in the education system.

zls 3y ago

I’m gonna try to not write like a jerk here, but OP is pretty grating, so I’m sorry if I fail. Parent didn’t say so explicitly, but there’s really no blog post you can write that is “how to escape from poverty as a teen in high school.” Thus, the problems with this one are not fixable. Off top: * what’s the opening line of Anna Karenina, again? There are so many disparate challenges that poor kids can face that are more urgent than “get good exercise and send cold emails for jobs” that you couldn’t even fit them in their own book. * even writing the blog post at all assumes these kids are reading hacker news which is, uh, cavalier. there are zillions of people hawking advice that these kids would need to sift through to even decide to follow this blog. Parents, friends, teachers, influencers, Andrew fucking Tate are all prescribing life strategies, why would they listen to your blog? Moreover, if you’re an impoverished kid who has somehow found HN and for some reason values its advice, you’re already on a better track than your peers, and you likely don’t need the advice! * in fact, this blog is anti-advice for these people. Probably the single most valuable decision I made in my youth was to always refuse all peer pressure no matter what until I was out of my hometown. Peer pressure is INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS for these kids. They’re not Brock Turner, they’re not getting off easy and free because of daddy. one mistake can derail their whole lives. To read this guy say “don’t worry about peer pressure, it’s the spice of life” frankly pisses me off. The real answer for these kids, again, is to get lucky until we get our shit to get as a country to make life less treacherous and unforgiving for those with less means. Unpopular here on HN, I guess, but the US is not a meritocratic libertarian tech utopia, some situations don’t have a reliable self-directed escape strategy, and not everything can be fixed by the perfect blog post. edit: also the audacity to be like “here are some advantages of being underprivileged that you can leverage” is its own headache entire… “you won’t have to unlearn as many wrong ideas about the world”? Absolute nonsense

jjav 3y ago

> 99% of the time it is not hubris, just the author missing some viewpoint/info/awareness. That's sort of the definition of hubris. Coming to a topic they don't have anywhere near enough knowledge but assuming they know it all because they put some thought into it.

balaji1 3y ago
Maybe that's the definition of hubris. But the tone of the above comment was too abrasive. > genuinely awed by the hubris it requires to just plow ahead that tone sounded more like hubris plus other expletives.
- thrixton 3y ago
  Or maybe they actually do have the experience and are sick and tired of people trotting out trite advice which is at best ignored and at worst draws attention away from the real issues by focusing people on useless advice which can be used as another stick to bash those less fortunate with. Sometimes abrasiveness is warranted.
- dmvdoug 3y ago
  Perhaps it was too abrasive. Hubris? No, I don't have any amount of confidence to drive me to offer big, system-wide solutions. Because schooling and its issues are incredibly complicated and bring into play much, much more than just what happens inside the walls of a school building. One trivial example: students in Title I schools (read: poverty) have much higher rates of chronic health conditions. That's not really an issue in our wheelhouse, as a school, and yet we very much have to deal with it continuously. Pretty much everything in a student's environment, including their past, affects school, since school is where they spend most of their day. Yet people think you can just ignore all that and focus on teaching specific content or skills. Like kids are, academically, brains in vats, untouched by environment or circumstance.
  - balaji1 3y ago
    I have already given credit to your know-how in this domain in another comment. You would be 99th percentile in knowledge, passion and experience compared to others around here. But maybe there are few ideas from the article we wished implemented in all schools. The author comes from a place of good intention. Sustained initiative from people like yourself, backed by policy and support from the government can do wonders. And I and most people in this thread are grateful for what you do on the ground level already.