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You are right, it's not a strawman argument. It's an ad hominem argument. I get them confused. While this guy may be shady as they come, and I'm not a big fan

You are right, it's not a strawman argument. It's an ad hominem argument. I get them confused. While this guy may be shady as they come, and I'm not a big fan personally, the idea of combining Lightning and 402 responses is very interesting, and one I've been thinking about since Joseph and Tadge wrote the Lightning paper. There is a means to do this today: https://github.com/lightninglabs/aperture https://github.com/lightninglabs/aperture Consider that these entities may become self-managing at some point in the near future. If they need to pay for calls to other models, crypto-payments can be useful because they include identity and payment in one function. As far as the vendors go, I would agree that some of them don't care about the ethical considerations and they remain focused on grabbing marketshare. That said, it's likely there we be a multitude of models running and trying to get them all talking to each other and paying for the compute required for inferencing is going to be a pain. While it is true that there have been scams and fraudulent activities in the cryptocurrency space, it is unfair to label all blockchains as scams. Many blockchain projects have legitimate use cases and are backed by reputable organizations. The Lightning Network is not a cryptocurrency itself but rather a layer-two scaling solution built on top of existing blockchain networks, most notably Bitcoin. It is designed to facilitate faster and cheaper transactions by creating off-chain payment channels between participants, which has risk limited to the initial payment and subsequent updates to the contract. The Lightning Network can facilitate direct transactions between participants, regardless of the stability or availability of the underlying blockchain network. The Lightning Network operates by creating off-chain payment channels between users, allowing them to transact without needing to wait for on-chain confirmations. These off-chain transactions are fast and can be conducted privately between participants. The Lightning Network's design enables micropayments and facilitates instant settlement, making it suitable for various use cases, including direct transactions between model hosting companies or any other parties involved in AI services.

smoldesu 3y ago
> Consider that these entities may become self-managing at some point in the near future. Yes, like absolutely no other successful companies in the past decade. Let's assume that. > If they need to pay for calls to other models, crypto-payments can be useful because they include identity and payment in one function. 1. Crypto has fees of it's own, many of which are often higher if you don't batch payments and scam miners. 2. These companies, if they become self-managing at some point, will not want to rely on a fragile third party to provide identity. 3. The real reason why companies pay per-call is to mitigate fraud. USD is good at this - crypto is not. There is no world in which crypto payments become attractive to anyone who wants to be paid by normal people. That world never manifested, and likely never will. > it is unfair to label all blockchains as scams. Many blockchain projects have legitimate use cases and are backed by reputable organizations. And Turing Pharmapseuticals endorsed Martin Shkreli. It's perfectly fair to judge bad apples for what they are - these systems have no safeguards for manipulation and no meaningful way to track fraudulent behavior. Almost every other modern, state-backed payment provider does. It's that simple. > including direct transactions between model hosting companies or any other parties involved in AI services. I don't think these platforms are going to want traffic from people who seek to pay "privately between participants". The loss of those customers is probably seen as a benefit.

smoldesu 3y ago

> Consider that these entities may become self-managing at some point in the near future. Yes, like absolutely no other successful companies in the past decade. Let's assume that. > If they need to pay for calls to other models, crypto-payments can be useful because they include identity and payment in one function. 1. Crypto has fees of it's own, many of which are often higher if you don't batch payments and scam miners. 2. These companies, if they become self-managing at some point, will not want to rely on a fragile third party to provide identity. 3. The real reason why companies pay per-call is to mitigate fraud. USD is good at this - crypto is not. There is no world in which crypto payments become attractive to anyone who wants to be paid by normal people. That world never manifested, and likely never will. > it is unfair to label all blockchains as scams. Many blockchain projects have legitimate use cases and are backed by reputable organizations. And Turing Pharmapseuticals endorsed Martin Shkreli. It's perfectly fair to judge bad apples for what they are - these systems have no safeguards for manipulation and no meaningful way to track fraudulent behavior. Almost every other modern, state-backed payment provider does. It's that simple. > including direct transactions between model hosting companies or any other parties involved in AI services. I don't think these platforms are going to want traffic from people who seek to pay "privately between participants". The loss of those customers is probably seen as a benefit.