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At this point it seems like any victory will be phyrric. I feel like the leadership fails to realise that the value is the community and they are doing everythi

At this point it seems like any victory will be phyrric. I feel like the leadership fails to realise that the value is the community and they are doing everything to alienate it. I mean they could gain control of MySpace if they wanted, but if no one goes there anymore what's the gain? I mean each of them could pivot towards more NSFW content, r/Military really lends itself to NSFL even.

tnecniv 3y ago
The writing has been on the wall for years where they have prioritized features nobody wanted over features mods and regular users have requested for a long time. The other damaging thing is they have demonstrated any written policy is irrelevant and they can change the rules at any time. While they have every right to do so as the owners of the platform, it violates the social contract between the admins and users. I’d certainly not want to provide free labor for a company that doesn’t appreciate that labor and changes the rules surrounding my work on the fly, even if it’s a labor of love for a community I enjoy.
- brailsafe 3y ago
  Providing free labor for any specific company is a bad idea unless you earn something of equivalent value to the money you'd have otherwise made in return; I think people have an inflated sense of the derived value they get from moderation or using any given platform. Open source has the potential to be that as well, only usually offering a tenuous value proposition for the people working on it, but a very obvious value proposition for the companies using it.
- dredmorbius 3y ago
  Yep. That's why I'd dialed back my own usage and refrained from posting new content to my own subs years ago. It was was made painfully clear, razors-to-eyballs, that Reddit-corporate's direction and my own interests had little if any intersection, and that that set was decreasing over time. That said, events of this past May and onwards have finally prompted me to take those subs private.
Pet_Ant 3y ago
Great quote from the tail end: > “While we're obviously aware that Reddit is a for-profit company, the recent weeks have made it very clear that Reddit is not a website that allows people to host communities for its members, but rather a company that allows people to maintain communities for them and for their profit," a r/JustNoMil moderator wrote.
- kelipso 3y ago
  The idea of these people expecting for profit companies to not be ruthlessly profit driven is hilarious.
  - local_crmdgeon 3y ago
    Spez even said this - they're very profit hungry because they're not profitable. Remember those cool projects that Google did at their height? That's what profitability looks like. Reddit is hungry and has been for a long time.
  - unsui 3y ago
    yeah, it's a ridiculous idea that a company that has repeatedly stated in the past that its focus is on the community and 3rd-party app outreach would renege on its mission to foster and support the communities that made it a place with any value whatsoever. ridiculous
    - kelipso 3y ago
      People talking about how the snake oil salesman was so convincing and believable is still hilarious.
  - kevincox 3y ago
    Treating your users well can be very good for long-term profits. The problem is that Reddit is looking to squeeze them short term for a good IPO.
tinus_hn 3y ago
It seems like the moderators turned out to be much more expendable than they thought so they fell in line to be able to cling on to their powers, rather than be replaced.
- HappySweeney 3y ago
  A lot have left. /r/InterestingAsFuck has millions of members and zero moderators at this time.
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BashiBazouk 3y ago
I think they are intentionally trying to change what communities are on Reddit. It was a throw away quote at the tail end of one of the many stores during the protest but it has given me pause as to whether I want to participate on reddit going forward: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/reddit-ceo-slams-protest-leaders-says-hell-change-rules-that-could-end-rebellion/ar-AA1cBP7f https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/reddit-ceo-slams-pro... "Huffman said, though, that he’d like to see some form of revenue-sharing. “I would like subreddits to be able to be businesses if they choose,” he said, adding that’s “another conversation, but I think that’s the next frontier of Reddit.”
- earthling8118 3y ago
  What a joke. What kind of business would set up shop on a platform where it has been shown the floor could be swept out underneath them with minimal notice? Certainly not one I'd want to run or rely on.

tnecniv 3y ago

The writing has been on the wall for years where they have prioritized features nobody wanted over features mods and regular users have requested for a long time. The other damaging thing is they have demonstrated any written policy is irrelevant and they can change the rules at any time. While they have every right to do so as the owners of the platform, it violates the social contract between the admins and users. I’d certainly not want to provide free labor for a company that doesn’t appreciate that labor and changes the rules surrounding my work on the fly, even if it’s a labor of love for a community I enjoy.

brailsafe 3y ago
Providing free labor for any specific company is a bad idea unless you earn something of equivalent value to the money you'd have otherwise made in return; I think people have an inflated sense of the derived value they get from moderation or using any given platform. Open source has the potential to be that as well, only usually offering a tenuous value proposition for the people working on it, but a very obvious value proposition for the companies using it.
dredmorbius 3y ago
Yep. That's why I'd dialed back my own usage and refrained from posting new content to my own subs years ago. It was was made painfully clear, razors-to-eyballs, that Reddit-corporate's direction and my own interests had little if any intersection, and that that set was decreasing over time. That said, events of this past May and onwards have finally prompted me to take those subs private.

Pet_Ant 3y ago

Great quote from the tail end: > “While we're obviously aware that Reddit is a for-profit company, the recent weeks have made it very clear that Reddit is not a website that allows people to host communities for its members, but rather a company that allows people to maintain communities for them and for their profit," a r/JustNoMil moderator wrote.

kelipso 3y ago
The idea of these people expecting for profit companies to not be ruthlessly profit driven is hilarious.
- local_crmdgeon 3y ago
  Spez even said this - they're very profit hungry because they're not profitable. Remember those cool projects that Google did at their height? That's what profitability looks like. Reddit is hungry and has been for a long time.
- unsui 3y ago
  yeah, it's a ridiculous idea that a company that has repeatedly stated in the past that its focus is on the community and 3rd-party app outreach would renege on its mission to foster and support the communities that made it a place with any value whatsoever. ridiculous
  - kelipso 3y ago
    People talking about how the snake oil salesman was so convincing and believable is still hilarious.
- kevincox 3y ago
  Treating your users well can be very good for long-term profits. The problem is that Reddit is looking to squeeze them short term for a good IPO.

tinus_hn 3y ago

It seems like the moderators turned out to be much more expendable than they thought so they fell in line to be able to cling on to their powers, rather than be replaced.

HappySweeney 3y ago
A lot have left. /r/InterestingAsFuck has millions of members and zero moderators at this time.

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BashiBazouk 3y ago

I think they are intentionally trying to change what communities are on Reddit. It was a throw away quote at the tail end of one of the many stores during the protest but it has given me pause as to whether I want to participate on reddit going forward: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/reddit-ceo-slams-protest-leaders-says-hell-change-rules-that-could-end-rebellion/ar-AA1cBP7f https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/reddit-ceo-slams-pro... "Huffman said, though, that he’d like to see some form of revenue-sharing. “I would like subreddits to be able to be businesses if they choose,” he said, adding that’s “another conversation, but I think that’s the next frontier of Reddit.”

earthling8118 3y ago
What a joke. What kind of business would set up shop on a platform where it has been shown the floor could be swept out underneath them with minimal notice? Certainly not one I'd want to run or rely on.