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Have you ever had a conversation with a trans person? Quality of life for trans people that get the privilege of blockers is enormously higher than their counte

Have you ever had a conversation with a trans person? Quality of life for trans people that get the privilege of blockers is enormously higher than their counterparts. They've been in use for decades; it's not new. I cannot imagine a greater horror then having gender dysphoria, knowing exactly what is wrong, and still being forced to go through the wrong puberty (which does inflict irreparable harm, for us) because some "concerned" parents want decades of medical history on blockers before they deign to allow you to receive medical care. I wonder how that medical history is supposed to be built if no one is allowed to take blockers? I'm not even going to engage with your bad faith argument that trans kids are only in the last 2-3 years. I'm not under any illusion a person with your opinions could ever be swayed, but hopefully other reasonable people will see this comment and not fall victim to your scare tactics.

Georgelemental 3y ago
I know someone who as a teenager was in an abusive relationship, insecure about themselves, pushed into taking these experimental treatments for a few months. The doctors and therapists just handed over the prescription, not questions asked. They now sorely regret ever having taken blockers, and are hoping it hasn't damaged their fertility too much.
- theprincess 3y ago
  > pushed into taking these experimental treatments for a few months It's a shame that this person was in such a difficult situation, but, barring some extraordinarily rare reaction, a few months would not cause long term problems. The full impact takes several years, by 3-6 months the very first changes are only starting to become visible and many of them are things like changes to skin quality and fat distribution which revert after cessation. It's still possibly a failure that your acquaintance got on HRT or Lupron in the first place. Given that long term follow ups show, consistently, that less than 2% of trans youth "desist" and are happy with their treatments, the reasonable solution to that failure would be to require some sort of evaluation by a therapist who has been trained to spot when someone has gender dysphoria and belongs to that 98% of happy transitioners versus someone from the 2% group that will desist because their issues came from somewhere else. Instead of that sort of reasonable response, we see calls for outright bans on all treatment with many also calling for banning treatment for adults and a reversion to conversion therapy as the only "treatment" - it's not a treatment because it doesn't work and just hurts people. The reason for this, is that the vast majority of people who suddenly have such strong opinions on trans health care are not actually concerned about people's health. They've just found a way to make their prejudices against transgender people sound like reasonable concerns.
- sverona 3y ago
  A few months of blockers won't do much of anything in the long run. The risk of osteoporosis in the absence of sex hormones is well-known to endocrinologists, and they account for it. Even a few months of cross-sex hormones will do very little. It takes at least six months before anything irreversible happens. And "someone who did this under duress regretted it hence no one should do this" isn't a sound argument.
TurkishPoptart 3y ago
I'm talking about children. Look at the charts here. [1] Why is the number of children experiencing this "gender dysphoria" skyrocketing? It should be linear, not exponential. There is a mental craze driving this, which is extremely profitable for the medical industry. This industry is preying on children to make a profit, justifying all the research on the small percentage of trans adults that actually need this treatment. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-tran...
- mitt_romney_12 3y ago
  Why would it be linear? The reasons it's increasing is because people no longer feel as much pressure to hide their true identity. It's the same reason that the number of left handed people doubled from 1920 to 1960 [1], it's not a conspiracy it's just the way social norms work [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/07/americas-increased-acceptance-gay-people-isnt-about-schools/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/07/americas-...
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- test098 3y ago
  > Why is the number of children experiencing this "gender dysphoria" skyrocketing because it's more socially acceptable to discuss these issues than it was 50 years ago...
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TurkishPoptart 3y ago
Yes, I have. Some trans adults really need these treatments, but that does not explain the 1000% increase in so-called "trans kids" over the past 2-3 years.

Georgelemental 3y ago

I know someone who as a teenager was in an abusive relationship, insecure about themselves, pushed into taking these experimental treatments for a few months. The doctors and therapists just handed over the prescription, not questions asked. They now sorely regret ever having taken blockers, and are hoping it hasn't damaged their fertility too much.

theprincess 3y ago
> pushed into taking these experimental treatments for a few months It's a shame that this person was in such a difficult situation, but, barring some extraordinarily rare reaction, a few months would not cause long term problems. The full impact takes several years, by 3-6 months the very first changes are only starting to become visible and many of them are things like changes to skin quality and fat distribution which revert after cessation. It's still possibly a failure that your acquaintance got on HRT or Lupron in the first place. Given that long term follow ups show, consistently, that less than 2% of trans youth "desist" and are happy with their treatments, the reasonable solution to that failure would be to require some sort of evaluation by a therapist who has been trained to spot when someone has gender dysphoria and belongs to that 98% of happy transitioners versus someone from the 2% group that will desist because their issues came from somewhere else. Instead of that sort of reasonable response, we see calls for outright bans on all treatment with many also calling for banning treatment for adults and a reversion to conversion therapy as the only "treatment" - it's not a treatment because it doesn't work and just hurts people. The reason for this, is that the vast majority of people who suddenly have such strong opinions on trans health care are not actually concerned about people's health. They've just found a way to make their prejudices against transgender people sound like reasonable concerns.
sverona 3y ago
A few months of blockers won't do much of anything in the long run. The risk of osteoporosis in the absence of sex hormones is well-known to endocrinologists, and they account for it. Even a few months of cross-sex hormones will do very little. It takes at least six months before anything irreversible happens. And "someone who did this under duress regretted it hence no one should do this" isn't a sound argument.

TurkishPoptart 3y ago

I'm talking about children. Look at the charts here. [1] Why is the number of children experiencing this "gender dysphoria" skyrocketing? It should be linear, not exponential. There is a mental craze driving this, which is extremely profitable for the medical industry. This industry is preying on children to make a profit, justifying all the research on the small percentage of trans adults that actually need this treatment. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-tran...

mitt_romney_12 3y ago
Why would it be linear? The reasons it's increasing is because people no longer feel as much pressure to hide their true identity. It's the same reason that the number of left handed people doubled from 1920 to 1960 [1], it's not a conspiracy it's just the way social norms work [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/07/americas-increased-acceptance-gay-people-isnt-about-schools/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/07/americas-...
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test098 3y ago
> Why is the number of children experiencing this "gender dysphoria" skyrocketing because it's more socially acceptable to discuss these issues than it was 50 years ago...
- peoplefromibiza 3y ago

TurkishPoptart 3y ago

Yes, I have. Some trans adults really need these treatments, but that does not explain the 1000% increase in so-called "trans kids" over the past 2-3 years.