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There will no doubt be a big whoops like when the SV40 cancer causing virus contaminated the polio vaccine. The more plausible the mistake, the more excellent

There will no doubt be a big whoops like when the SV40 cancer causing virus contaminated the polio vaccine. The more plausible the mistake, the more excellent the opportunity for malice of bad actors, because of the overwhelming bias of most people to believe that others act in good faith.

ceejayoz 3y ago
If that's the worst example you can come up with of "big whoops" and "no doubt [will happen]" - 70 years old and no actual cancer cases, with the advent of PCR fixing the root issue - I think we're probably gonna be OK. > Population level studies show no evidence of any increase in cancer incidence as a result of exposure, though SV40 has been extensively studied. A thirty-five year followup found no excess of the cancers commonly associated with SV40.
- narrator 3y ago
  The worst example was the Rockefeller foundation sterilizing people on Kenya with tetanus shots that was making their immune system attack HCG. That this incident is well known in Africa contributed to the very low uptake of covid vaccination there.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Yeah, no. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/video-revives-old-debunked-rumors-about-tetanus-vaccines/ https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/video-revives-old-debunked... > Basically, the theory is that a hormone blocker that would cause infertility had been surreptitiously added to tetanus vaccines. This claim, like many long-standing conspiracy theories, is based on a grain of truth. Researchers had developed a combination contraceptive and tetanus vaccine that was tested in the early 1990s and was designed to prevent pregnancies temporarily (it did not have a permanent effect on fertility). But hormone blockers have never been used in tetanus vaccines available to the public; they’ve only been used in research. Claims to have found HCG in 2017 were retracted: https://retractionwatch.com/2018/01/30/second-time-researchers-retract-republish-vaccine-paper/ https://retractionwatch.com/2018/01/30/second-time-researche...
    - narrator 3y ago
      The Kenyan Catholic Doctors Association did their own tests on Tetanus vaccines actually delivered to Kenya and found they created antibodies to HCG. Thus, people can deny that that was ever the intent or they intended to sterilize people, but an empirical examination of the actual vaccine given to the actual people in Kenya shows that it did cause infertility and no amount of official denials can contradict that. Saying that that is false is pretty racist in that it implies that the Kenyan doctors are liars and the western doctors always tell the truth and act in good faith. In that case, no evidence developed by African organizations will ever be good enough. http://www.cmq.org.uk/CMQ/2015/Feb/kenyan_catholic_drs_statement.html http://www.cmq.org.uk/CMQ/2015/Feb/kenyan_catholic_drs_state...
      - ceejayoz 3y ago
        It's hardly racist to think these folks may not be entirely on the level. (It is, perhaps, a bit racist of you to imply the WHO is only made up of Westerners, though! Considering the head is currently Ethiopian...) > One of the most prominent was Dr. Stephen Karanja, who died of COVID-19 in April 2021, about two months after calling COVID-19 vaccines “totally unnecessary.” Karanja had discouraged the use of many vaccines through his organization, the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association. https://factcheck.afp.com/catholic-doctors-kenya-reject-covid-19-vaccines-repeat-false-claims-statement https://factcheck.afp.com/catholic-doctors-kenya-reject-covi... > The Kenya Catholic Doctors Association recently issued a press statement discouraging people from getting Covid-19 vaccines, calling them “unnecessary” and “unsafe”. The press release, however, was wrong on a number of points, including claims that steam and hydroxychloroquine can treat Covid-19. The document also punted population control conspiracies; AFP Fact Check has previously debunked these and other claims. The World Health Organization (WHO) dismissed the statement and assured the public that the vaccines were safe. Kenya's own government (presumably not racist against Kenyan doctors) also disagrees with them. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29594091 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29594091 So does the Church: > The Catholic Bishops in Kenya distanced themselves from the association’s statement and expressed support for the Kenyan government’s efforts to provide Covid-19 vaccines to the population.

ceejayoz 3y ago

If that's the worst example you can come up with of "big whoops" and "no doubt [will happen]" - 70 years old and no actual cancer cases, with the advent of PCR fixing the root issue - I think we're probably gonna be OK. > Population level studies show no evidence of any increase in cancer incidence as a result of exposure, though SV40 has been extensively studied. A thirty-five year followup found no excess of the cancers commonly associated with SV40.

narrator 3y ago
The worst example was the Rockefeller foundation sterilizing people on Kenya with tetanus shots that was making their immune system attack HCG. That this incident is well known in Africa contributed to the very low uptake of covid vaccination there.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Yeah, no. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/video-revives-old-debunked-rumors-about-tetanus-vaccines/ https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/video-revives-old-debunked... > Basically, the theory is that a hormone blocker that would cause infertility had been surreptitiously added to tetanus vaccines. This claim, like many long-standing conspiracy theories, is based on a grain of truth. Researchers had developed a combination contraceptive and tetanus vaccine that was tested in the early 1990s and was designed to prevent pregnancies temporarily (it did not have a permanent effect on fertility). But hormone blockers have never been used in tetanus vaccines available to the public; they’ve only been used in research. Claims to have found HCG in 2017 were retracted: https://retractionwatch.com/2018/01/30/second-time-researchers-retract-republish-vaccine-paper/ https://retractionwatch.com/2018/01/30/second-time-researche...
  - narrator 3y ago
    The Kenyan Catholic Doctors Association did their own tests on Tetanus vaccines actually delivered to Kenya and found they created antibodies to HCG. Thus, people can deny that that was ever the intent or they intended to sterilize people, but an empirical examination of the actual vaccine given to the actual people in Kenya shows that it did cause infertility and no amount of official denials can contradict that. Saying that that is false is pretty racist in that it implies that the Kenyan doctors are liars and the western doctors always tell the truth and act in good faith. In that case, no evidence developed by African organizations will ever be good enough. http://www.cmq.org.uk/CMQ/2015/Feb/kenyan_catholic_drs_statement.html http://www.cmq.org.uk/CMQ/2015/Feb/kenyan_catholic_drs_state...
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      It's hardly racist to think these folks may not be entirely on the level. (It is, perhaps, a bit racist of you to imply the WHO is only made up of Westerners, though! Considering the head is currently Ethiopian...) > One of the most prominent was Dr. Stephen Karanja, who died of COVID-19 in April 2021, about two months after calling COVID-19 vaccines “totally unnecessary.” Karanja had discouraged the use of many vaccines through his organization, the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association. https://factcheck.afp.com/catholic-doctors-kenya-reject-covid-19-vaccines-repeat-false-claims-statement https://factcheck.afp.com/catholic-doctors-kenya-reject-covi... > The Kenya Catholic Doctors Association recently issued a press statement discouraging people from getting Covid-19 vaccines, calling them “unnecessary” and “unsafe”. The press release, however, was wrong on a number of points, including claims that steam and hydroxychloroquine can treat Covid-19. The document also punted population control conspiracies; AFP Fact Check has previously debunked these and other claims. The World Health Organization (WHO) dismissed the statement and assured the public that the vaccines were safe. Kenya's own government (presumably not racist against Kenyan doctors) also disagrees with them. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29594091 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29594091 So does the Church: > The Catholic Bishops in Kenya distanced themselves from the association’s statement and expressed support for the Kenyan government’s efforts to provide Covid-19 vaccines to the population.