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If opt in renders it useless then I dare question whether modern open source as a mode of development and operation is feasible at all, if the underlying founda

If opt in renders it useless then I dare question whether modern open source as a mode of development and operation is feasible at all, if the underlying foundation is snooping based on uninformed consent. Yes, many tools give you an option to opt out nowadays, but then again do you want to learn how to do that dance every single time? It’s almost like we need some kind of… DNT, but for the console. And even that misses the point: with the German concept of Datensparsamkeit, there shouldn’t be any data collected at all, unless it is absolutely necessary to conduct your business. Popularity contest in Debian comes to mind when talking about informed consent. The point is not InfluxDB or GA. That just sounds like good guy with a gun/analytics vs. bad guy with a gun/analytics logic. The point is: the combined genius of the computing world, and all we could come up with even after the 100th iteration is “Analytics go brrr”.

orf 3y ago
If you wanted to work out how many people are buying flowers at your shop, rather than putting up a poster asking customers to mail in their receipts after every purchase you’d look at the anonymous sales data. Opt in is renders the data statistically useless in the same way. This data is required to allow Homebrew to continue to operate and make decisions.
LordDragonfang 3y ago
>snooping based on uninformed consent. They go out of their way to inform you before sending any data. First sentence of the article: >You will be notified the first time you run brew update or install Homebrew. Analytics are not enabled until after this notice is shown, to ensure that you can opt out without ever sending analytics data.
- sneak 3y ago
  Notification is not consent! Imagine if you posted a "entry is consent to physical interaction" notice on the door to your building. Consent does not work that way.
rgoulter 3y ago
I'm inclined to agree in principle that such tracking should be opt in. In practice, I'd expect the behaviour of the modal complainer to be: 1. to complain about any broken/removed functionality 2. refuse to fix it themselves (or fund the fixing) 3. refuse to opt-in to tracking so as to give impartial of usage. So I think the trade-off of default analytics where the volunteer contributors make a best-effort to keep things working for as many people as possible is beneficial to most users. (And for those who disagree, they can opt out).

orf 3y ago

If you wanted to work out how many people are buying flowers at your shop, rather than putting up a poster asking customers to mail in their receipts after every purchase you’d look at the anonymous sales data. Opt in is renders the data statistically useless in the same way. This data is required to allow Homebrew to continue to operate and make decisions.

LordDragonfang 3y ago

>snooping based on uninformed consent. They go out of their way to inform you before sending any data. First sentence of the article: >You will be notified the first time you run brew update or install Homebrew. Analytics are not enabled until after this notice is shown, to ensure that you can opt out without ever sending analytics data.

sneak 3y ago
Notification is not consent! Imagine if you posted a "entry is consent to physical interaction" notice on the door to your building. Consent does not work that way.

rgoulter 3y ago

I'm inclined to agree in principle that such tracking should be opt in. In practice, I'd expect the behaviour of the modal complainer to be: 1. to complain about any broken/removed functionality 2. refuse to fix it themselves (or fund the fixing) 3. refuse to opt-in to tracking so as to give impartial of usage. So I think the trade-off of default analytics where the volunteer contributors make a best-effort to keep things working for as many people as possible is beneficial to most users. (And for those who disagree, they can opt out).