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Freedom and a free market are virtues to be strived for, not a description of the current system in the USA. What we have is best described as a mixed economy
by anonym29 3y ago
Freedom and a free market are virtues to be strived for, not a description of the current system in the USA.
What we have is best described as a mixed economy (like China's, just with a different mix of market and state that leans more towards market than China does), with an unhealthy dose of corporate regulatory capture.
Regardless of whether you're on team "big government" or team "free market", I'm pretty sure we're all quite dissatisfied with a big government that's largely captured and controlled via a revolving door between the powerful regulatory agencies and entrenched international corporations that have weaponized regulatory agencies as a business "moat" against competition.
Again, regardless of whether you're team "big government" or team "free market", it seems a vast majority of politically conscientious people ought to be opposed to such revolving doors, corporate capture, and money in politics in general.
It's deeply regrettable that even in a Democracy, positions of power have a tendency to attract people who are drawn to power, who seem to be some of those least inclined to wield it cautiously and responsibly.
I haven't exactly figured out a solution, but I wouldn't be opposed in a strictly conceptual sense (e.g. not agreeing to a specific implementation without considerable discussion / peer review) to restricting voting to
1. People with a stake in the future stability and strength of the whole system (land owners? people who've had children? not sure what the right mechanism here is, but the litmus test is a provably vested interest in the success of the whole system on a long time horizon)
and/or
2. People who are civically engaged enough to even be familiar with the process of government (civics test? I know in the past these have been abused to facilitate discrimination - I just have a hard time believing that our species is incapable of devising a knowledge-based litmus test that isn't being deliberately used to facilitate discrimination).
and/or
3. More mature people: Raising the age of majority in general from 18 to [21-25], including voting age. We know the prefrontal cortex plays an important role in making good, responsible decisions by weighing long term consequences, and it's not done developing until mid-late 20s. That said, it would be a politicized act to change voting age but not lawful firearm ownership age based on this concept, or vice versa. The politically neutral and principal-based solution here is to just raise the age of majority across the board to more accurately reflect our improved understanding of the nature of human brain development.
- wizofaus 3y agoIt's exactly because of your point 1 (those with a stake in the future of the system) that I'm somewhat in favour of lowering the voting age, and making voting non- compulsory (I'm in Australia) for those over retirement age. I haven't observed any evidence that people vote more sensibly at 21 vs 18 at any rate. But there's strong evidence that those over 50 or 60 vote to preserve the status quo even when it's clearly not working well for all sorts of rational and less-than-rational reasons. And yes you did mention stability too, which is important in the long run obviously, but not always best maintained just by avoiding intentional radical change at all costs.
- Guvante 3y agoThe US was founded on fighting back against being forced to act by others. Why would making subsets of the population work and rent but not allow them a voice improve anything? Everything you suggested would result in the current problems getting worse. Land owners don't mind the raising housing prices as long as the taxes don't impact them. Older people got theirs and are fine with policies that lead to younger generations getting screwed.
- anonym29 3y ago>Why would making subsets of the population work and rent but not allow them a voice improve anything? The first litmus test needs to be in determining whether one has a vested interest in the long-term stability of the whole system. The second litmus test is more about capability to participate in the system as intended by determining whether one even understands the system (and hence their role and responsibilities in it). I like another commenter suggesting US native-born citizens should be able to pass the same immigration test that immigrants are required to pass in order to naturalize and gain the right to vote. What I'm not for is making sweeping changes that aren't peer-reviewed, discussed, and widely agreed upon, precisely for the reasons you outlined - the intent is not to benefit any one segment of society at the expense of another. We all have blind spots and the ability to call out eachother's blind spots (as you've done for mine) is kinda the selling point of peer review :)
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