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Seems that the biggest problem all relates to an unstable family life. Hey you guys remember when in the 80s we convinced all the women that it would be empowe

Seems that the biggest problem all relates to an unstable family life. Hey you guys remember when in the 80s we convinced all the women that it would be empowering and freeing to start slaving away as a corporate drone and that would be the best life for them, that kids didn't need 2 parents at home? Isn't it great how that panned out. EDIT To be clear I'm not saying women shouldn't be in the workforce, but the fact of the matter is that at some point they convinced us all we had to have 2 parents working and that's when things went to hell. It was great for a little bit while everyone was making a bit of extra cash, but basically what happened was the supply of labor doubled, and when supply goes up...

jacknews 3y ago
sure everything would be rosy if women just spent their time breastfeeding somewhere near the sink or cooker.
EatingWithForks 3y ago
I don't think you understand: poor women have never been able to afford to be a stay at home mother. Stay at home motherhood has always been a middle class and above lifestyle. Wealthier women employ the nannies and maids that are obviously overwhelmingly women who aren't at home. I wouldn't attribute a lack of home stability to women empowerment. A lack of home stability is often caused by poverty. A poor mother cannot afford not to work, cannot afford suitable environments to raise her children while she works, and must make difficult decisions regarding proper nourishment/safe place to sleep/access to utilities/physical presence.
- sarchertech 3y ago
  Historically poor, married women did tend to stay at home, but frequently worked from the home sewing, washing, small scale manufacturing etc… The Industrial Revolution reduced the value of that kind of work though. Until near the middle of the century running a household of as too time intensive for most women to go off to work. Nannies and maids were generally unmarried, childless women. I’m the early 20th century only 5% of married women worked outside the home in the US https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-history-of-womens-work-and-wages-and-how-it-has-created-success-for-us-all/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-history-of-womens-wor... Also only about 7% of children lived with single mothers in 1900.
- keenboy 3y ago
  You're not looking back far enough historically.
keenboy 3y ago
We've fallen prey to the philosophy that being at home with kids isn't adding value to society. You should be out making some big corporation wealthy!
fknorangesite 3y ago
> I'm not saying women shouldn't be in the workforce Whether you intended to or not, it is exactly what you were saying.
- ndriscoll 3y ago
  "Women shouldn't be in the workforce" is a statement with ambiguous and even opposite meanings (with regard to why), so I think GP's intent is probably better captured by a statement like "raising children and maintaining the home is more important, more impactful, and more fulfilling work than almost all work outside the home". When my daughter was born, a coworker asked if I hope she'll be a programmer one day, and my answer was that I hope not; I want her to be able to stay at home like her mother, and if she can't and has to work some corporate job, that means I will have somehow failed her. If she wants a job like mine, then again I will have probably failed her somehow.

jacknews 3y ago

sure everything would be rosy if women just spent their time breastfeeding somewhere near the sink or cooker.

EatingWithForks 3y ago

I don't think you understand: poor women have never been able to afford to be a stay at home mother. Stay at home motherhood has always been a middle class and above lifestyle. Wealthier women employ the nannies and maids that are obviously overwhelmingly women who aren't at home. I wouldn't attribute a lack of home stability to women empowerment. A lack of home stability is often caused by poverty. A poor mother cannot afford not to work, cannot afford suitable environments to raise her children while she works, and must make difficult decisions regarding proper nourishment/safe place to sleep/access to utilities/physical presence.

sarchertech 3y ago
Historically poor, married women did tend to stay at home, but frequently worked from the home sewing, washing, small scale manufacturing etc… The Industrial Revolution reduced the value of that kind of work though. Until near the middle of the century running a household of as too time intensive for most women to go off to work. Nannies and maids were generally unmarried, childless women. I’m the early 20th century only 5% of married women worked outside the home in the US https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-history-of-womens-work-and-wages-and-how-it-has-created-success-for-us-all/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-history-of-womens-wor... Also only about 7% of children lived with single mothers in 1900.
keenboy 3y ago
You're not looking back far enough historically.

keenboy 3y ago

We've fallen prey to the philosophy that being at home with kids isn't adding value to society. You should be out making some big corporation wealthy!

fknorangesite 3y ago

> I'm not saying women shouldn't be in the workforce Whether you intended to or not, it is exactly what you were saying.

ndriscoll 3y ago
"Women shouldn't be in the workforce" is a statement with ambiguous and even opposite meanings (with regard to why), so I think GP's intent is probably better captured by a statement like "raising children and maintaining the home is more important, more impactful, and more fulfilling work than almost all work outside the home". When my daughter was born, a coworker asked if I hope she'll be a programmer one day, and my answer was that I hope not; I want her to be able to stay at home like her mother, and if she can't and has to work some corporate job, that means I will have somehow failed her. If she wants a job like mine, then again I will have probably failed her somehow.