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And no museum in Europe tells you to please leave your guns at the entrance to pick them up later. I guess weirdness is a matter of culture.

mensetmanusman 3y ago
I have visited ancient churches in Norway that still have the weapon drop off rooms in the back :) Society ebbs and flows.
noduerme 3y ago
It does seem that places with fewer guns tend to have fewer homicides but more petty theft. Someone should study that one.
- marfil 3y ago
  NYC. Chicago. Detroit. Atlanta. This ain't it chief. There is no correlation between "fewer guns" and "more petty theft". The common factor is culture of crime and it comes in different flavors. There are countries in Europe that completely outlawed even pistol ownership without extensive classes and expensive licenses, and yet they're some of the safest countries in the world. Has to do with culture and general population hostility, and the tensions and hostility will always naturally be higher among the armed population as been proved by history time and time again.
  - Dig1t 3y ago
    You can compare property crime and petty theft between San Francisco and Houston.
    - burnished 3y ago
      Its too goddamn hot for property crime and petty theft in Houston.
- pvaldes 3y ago
  Is not relevant probably. This kind of crime is 100% opportunistic and normally collaborative. Done by specialized gangs that came attracted to touristic areas like sharks by the blood. Being from a different country is not uncommon. In any case touristic areas show a distorted reflect on the honesty of the country. Honesty is directly proportional to stability. Work in touristic areas is seasonary and unstable
llbeansandrice 3y ago
I hate this whataboutism. The odds of getting shot in the US are so incredibly low especially for tourists. Not to mention I’ve never in my life seen a firearms check next to the coat check in any establishment.
- rootw0rm 3y ago
  it's not uncommon for open carry states to have lock boxes inside the entrance of government buildings for people to stow their firearms. i haven't personally seen it other places (i.e. museums), but it's actually a thing
- hospitalJail 3y ago
  I don't really care about either side of the gun debate. I'm most annoyed with how much people care about it when its a tiny fraction of deaths and less than 1% if you remove suicides. Meanwhile as I age, the number of healthcare/medical related problems become more real. Few people talk about obesity being a problem, Fewer talk about the other 50% of causes of death.
  - CalRobert 3y ago
    My mom is baffled that I'm more worried about my kids dying in a car crash than by getting shot.
    - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
      She may have a valid concern. How good is your driving? :)
  - amanaplanacanal 3y ago
    Wondering how you think that. As far as I can see people talk about obesity all the time. Unfortunately it’s not a solved problem at population levels yet.
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cscurmudgeon 3y ago
And that doesn't have anything to do with the honesty issue we are discussing.
rootusrootus 3y ago
> And no museum in Europe tells you to please leave your guns at the entrance to pick them up later. I don't recall any museums in the US with such instructions, either.
EliRivers 3y ago
no museum in Europe tells you to please leave your guns at the entrance to pick them up later Although in Plovdiv, an ancient Roman historical site accessed by stairs down on a busy shopping street, does have a sign explicitly indicating that you shouldn't take your guns in (also no dogs, no smoking); https://goo.gl/maps/ucGTpQQNwxK8hCMi6 https://goo.gl/maps/ucGTpQQNwxK8hCMi6
vladvasiliu 3y ago
I haven't been there in a few years, but last I remember, at the Louvre, they had signs saying you weren't allowed to bring in weapons or explosives. Sure, they didn't have a place for you to leave them and pick them up later, you were expected to figure storage on your own, I suppose. You can also see such signs at train stations. In France, it's very hard to legally own a gun.
callalex 3y ago
Where have you seen that?

mensetmanusman 3y ago

I have visited ancient churches in Norway that still have the weapon drop off rooms in the back :) Society ebbs and flows.

noduerme 3y ago

It does seem that places with fewer guns tend to have fewer homicides but more petty theft. Someone should study that one.

marfil 3y ago
NYC. Chicago. Detroit. Atlanta. This ain't it chief. There is no correlation between "fewer guns" and "more petty theft". The common factor is culture of crime and it comes in different flavors. There are countries in Europe that completely outlawed even pistol ownership without extensive classes and expensive licenses, and yet they're some of the safest countries in the world. Has to do with culture and general population hostility, and the tensions and hostility will always naturally be higher among the armed population as been proved by history time and time again.
- Dig1t 3y ago
  You can compare property crime and petty theft between San Francisco and Houston.
  - burnished 3y ago
    Its too goddamn hot for property crime and petty theft in Houston.
pvaldes 3y ago
Is not relevant probably. This kind of crime is 100% opportunistic and normally collaborative. Done by specialized gangs that came attracted to touristic areas like sharks by the blood. Being from a different country is not uncommon. In any case touristic areas show a distorted reflect on the honesty of the country. Honesty is directly proportional to stability. Work in touristic areas is seasonary and unstable

llbeansandrice 3y ago

I hate this whataboutism. The odds of getting shot in the US are so incredibly low especially for tourists. Not to mention I’ve never in my life seen a firearms check next to the coat check in any establishment.

rootw0rm 3y ago
it's not uncommon for open carry states to have lock boxes inside the entrance of government buildings for people to stow their firearms. i haven't personally seen it other places (i.e. museums), but it's actually a thing
hospitalJail 3y ago
I don't really care about either side of the gun debate. I'm most annoyed with how much people care about it when its a tiny fraction of deaths and less than 1% if you remove suicides. Meanwhile as I age, the number of healthcare/medical related problems become more real. Few people talk about obesity being a problem, Fewer talk about the other 50% of causes of death.
- CalRobert 3y ago
  My mom is baffled that I'm more worried about my kids dying in a car crash than by getting shot.
  - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
    She may have a valid concern. How good is your driving? :)
- amanaplanacanal 3y ago
  Wondering how you think that. As far as I can see people talk about obesity all the time. Unfortunately it’s not a solved problem at population levels yet.
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cscurmudgeon 3y ago

And that doesn't have anything to do with the honesty issue we are discussing.

rootusrootus 3y ago

> And no museum in Europe tells you to please leave your guns at the entrance to pick them up later. I don't recall any museums in the US with such instructions, either.

EliRivers 3y ago

no museum in Europe tells you to please leave your guns at the entrance to pick them up later Although in Plovdiv, an ancient Roman historical site accessed by stairs down on a busy shopping street, does have a sign explicitly indicating that you shouldn't take your guns in (also no dogs, no smoking); https://goo.gl/maps/ucGTpQQNwxK8hCMi6 https://goo.gl/maps/ucGTpQQNwxK8hCMi6

vladvasiliu 3y ago

I haven't been there in a few years, but last I remember, at the Louvre, they had signs saying you weren't allowed to bring in weapons or explosives. Sure, they didn't have a place for you to leave them and pick them up later, you were expected to figure storage on your own, I suppose. You can also see such signs at train stations. In France, it's very hard to legally own a gun.

callalex 3y ago

Where have you seen that?