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narrator 3y ago
Since we're down here in the bottom most flagged comment, what I like to call "Hacker News Conspiracy Theorist Edition", I think OP's conspiracy theory works like this. It's similar to the Wuhan lab. 1. Say you are running a mosquito breeding factory to help humanity. 2. Import mosquitos from subsaharan africa 3. Say you checked every mosquito for Malaria. 4. Pay a subcontractor a lot of money to not do this, but make it look like a mistake or lazyness or incompetence or a mixup. 5. Deny everything when asked. Deny when whistleblower leaks information. Say it was a mistake and an oversight when physical proof of malaria mosquitos are discovered in your facility and that you've been breeding them. Mysterious bad things happen to subcontractor who are likely whistleblowers. 6. 80% of the population will believe you unconditionally and flag anyone on HN who dares not believe you.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  That's not how mosquito breeding works. #3 would be an absurdly insane assertion, and unnecessary; malaria is transported by adult female mosquitos from one infected human to another human. These programs release male mosquito eggs from many-generations-old captive populations, which is not how malaria spreads.
  - narrator 3y ago
    There will no doubt be a big whoops like when the SV40 cancer causing virus contaminated the polio vaccine. The more plausible the mistake, the more excellent the opportunity for malice of bad actors, because of the overwhelming bias of most people to believe that others act in good faith.
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      If that's the worst example you can come up with of "big whoops" and "no doubt [will happen]" - 70 years old and no actual cancer cases, with the advent of PCR fixing the root issue - I think we're probably gonna be OK. > Population level studies show no evidence of any increase in cancer incidence as a result of exposure, though SV40 has been extensively studied. A thirty-five year followup found no excess of the cancers commonly associated with SV40.
      - narrator 3y ago
        The worst example was the Rockefeller foundation sterilizing people on Kenya with tetanus shots that was making their immune system attack HCG. That this incident is well known in Africa contributed to the very low uptake of covid vaccination there.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        Yeah, no. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/video-revives-old-debunked-rumors-about-tetanus-vaccines/ https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/video-revives-old-debunked... > Basically, the theory is that a hormone blocker that would cause infertility had been surreptitiously added to tetanus vaccines. This claim, like many long-standing conspiracy theories, is based on a grain of truth. Researchers had developed a combination contraceptive and tetanus vaccine that was tested in the early 1990s and was designed to prevent pregnancies temporarily (it did not have a permanent effect on fertility). But hormone blockers have never been used in tetanus vaccines available to the public; they’ve only been used in research. Claims to have found HCG in 2017 were retracted: https://retractionwatch.com/2018/01/30/second-time-researchers-retract-republish-vaccine-paper/ https://retractionwatch.com/2018/01/30/second-time-researche...
        narrator 3y ago
        The Kenyan Catholic Doctors Association did their own tests on Tetanus vaccines actually delivered to Kenya and found they created antibodies to HCG. Thus, people can deny that that was ever the intent or they intended to sterilize people, but an empirical examination of the actual vaccine given to the actual people in Kenya shows that it did cause infertility and no amount of official denials can contradict that. Saying that that is false is pretty racist in that it implies that the Kenyan doctors are liars and the western doctors always tell the truth and act in good faith. In that case, no evidence developed by African organizations will ever be good enough. http://www.cmq.org.uk/CMQ/2015/Feb/kenyan_catholic_drs_statement.html http://www.cmq.org.uk/CMQ/2015/Feb/kenyan_catholic_drs_state...

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Since we're down here in the bottom most flagged comment, what I like to call "Hacker News Conspiracy Theorist Edition", I think OP's conspiracy theory works like this. It's similar to the Wuhan lab. 1. Say you are running a mosquito breeding factory to help humanity. 2. Import mosquitos from subsaharan africa 3. Say you checked every mosquito for Malaria. 4. Pay a subcontractor a lot of money to not do this, but make it look like a mistake or lazyness or incompetence or a mixup. 5. Deny everything when asked. Deny when whistleblower leaks information. Say it was a mistake and an oversight when physical proof of malaria mosquitos are discovered in your facility and that you've been breeding them. Mysterious bad things happen to subcontractor who are likely whistleblowers. 6. 80% of the population will believe you unconditionally and flag anyone on HN who dares not believe you.

ceejayoz 3y ago
That's not how mosquito breeding works. #3 would be an absurdly insane assertion, and unnecessary; malaria is transported by adult female mosquitos from one infected human to another human. These programs release male mosquito eggs from many-generations-old captive populations, which is not how malaria spreads.
- narrator 3y ago
  There will no doubt be a big whoops like when the SV40 cancer causing virus contaminated the polio vaccine. The more plausible the mistake, the more excellent the opportunity for malice of bad actors, because of the overwhelming bias of most people to believe that others act in good faith.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    If that's the worst example you can come up with of "big whoops" and "no doubt [will happen]" - 70 years old and no actual cancer cases, with the advent of PCR fixing the root issue - I think we're probably gonna be OK. > Population level studies show no evidence of any increase in cancer incidence as a result of exposure, though SV40 has been extensively studied. A thirty-five year followup found no excess of the cancers commonly associated with SV40.
    - narrator 3y ago
      The worst example was the Rockefeller foundation sterilizing people on Kenya with tetanus shots that was making their immune system attack HCG. That this incident is well known in Africa contributed to the very low uptake of covid vaccination there.
      - ceejayoz 3y ago
        Yeah, no. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/video-revives-old-debunked-rumors-about-tetanus-vaccines/ https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/video-revives-old-debunked... > Basically, the theory is that a hormone blocker that would cause infertility had been surreptitiously added to tetanus vaccines. This claim, like many long-standing conspiracy theories, is based on a grain of truth. Researchers had developed a combination contraceptive and tetanus vaccine that was tested in the early 1990s and was designed to prevent pregnancies temporarily (it did not have a permanent effect on fertility). But hormone blockers have never been used in tetanus vaccines available to the public; they’ve only been used in research. Claims to have found HCG in 2017 were retracted: https://retractionwatch.com/2018/01/30/second-time-researchers-retract-republish-vaccine-paper/ https://retractionwatch.com/2018/01/30/second-time-researche...
        narrator 3y ago
        The Kenyan Catholic Doctors Association did their own tests on Tetanus vaccines actually delivered to Kenya and found they created antibodies to HCG. Thus, people can deny that that was ever the intent or they intended to sterilize people, but an empirical examination of the actual vaccine given to the actual people in Kenya shows that it did cause infertility and no amount of official denials can contradict that. Saying that that is false is pretty racist in that it implies that the Kenyan doctors are liars and the western doctors always tell the truth and act in good faith. In that case, no evidence developed by African organizations will ever be good enough. http://www.cmq.org.uk/CMQ/2015/Feb/kenyan_catholic_drs_statement.html http://www.cmq.org.uk/CMQ/2015/Feb/kenyan_catholic_drs_state...