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Would that not utterly stratify social classes? Yes. This is one of the outcomes the anti-school crowd is after.

by dfxm12 3y ago

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benji-york 3y ago
Is there a name for this tactic of projecting motivations on others in order to explain their behaviors?
- barry-cotter 3y ago
  Normal
- Nasrudith 3y ago
  Theory of mind.
  - benji-york 3y ago
    I see where you were going, but I don't think Theory of Mind quite fits. ToM says that a person understands someone else to have their own knowledge, ideas, motivations, etc. But this behavior is not simply understanding that others have their own motivations, but imputing negative motivations onto others.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      It's estimates of future behavior from past public behavior and public statements and documented funding. Ask a teacher how they feel about Betsy Devos and you will get two very very very different answers largely depending on political ideologies that have nothing to do with teaching because of her history and "friends". She isn't exactly friendly to public education, and a lot of the funding for pushing for voucher programs comes from religious organizations. For a concrete example, our state has had vouchers for decades, and it has done jack, diddly, and squat for improving public schools in the area, because it turns out letting the rich kids go to a school only they can go to just means they have an easier time neglecting the other hundred thousand kids in the state that weren't born to the local power family. Meanwhile up north where there isn't enough density to support a school as a private business and not enough rich families to want it anyway, everyone is put into the same couple schools which struggle to ever have enough money to do even the basics but the teachers are good and the material is good and the effort is there, so for the kids that want education, there's a perfectly good one for all to have. I was classmates with a famous Senator's niece, and we had the same teachers and it turns out the world doesn't end when you let the poors learn stuff.
guy98238710 3y ago
Don't be so cynical. There are serious problems with schools and there's no visible progress, so many people gave up. They concluded the problems are endemic and permanent and the only way to fix them is to dissolve the schools entirely.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Which is why they are pretty much universally funded by religious fundamentalists who spent their past years trying to force textbook writers to deny climate change or evolution as basic scientific facts. This isn't disillusioned people looking to tear it all down and rebuild a wonderful new system, unless you think Betsy Devos is some sort of anarchist. These people have very specific complaints about the school system that rarely have to do with the actual problems of actual outcomes, because the people who by and large ARE getting actual bad outcomes from the public school system don't really have a voice.
  - guy98238710 3y ago
    What religious fundamentalists? Maybe in the US? Where I live, schools are actually a source of aggressive religious propaganda. But the problems with schools are far wider than that they become ideological battlefields with propaganda-filled curricula. Lots of non-religious and moderate people see the problems.

Would that not utterly stratify social classes? Yes. This is one of the outcomes the anti-school crowd is after.

by dfxm12 3y ago

Would that not utterly stratify social classes? Yes. This is one of the outcomes the anti-school crowd is after.

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benji-york 3y ago

Is there a name for this tactic of projecting motivations on others in order to explain their behaviors?

barry-cotter 3y ago
Normal
Nasrudith 3y ago
Theory of mind.
- benji-york 3y ago
  I see where you were going, but I don't think Theory of Mind quite fits. ToM says that a person understands someone else to have their own knowledge, ideas, motivations, etc. But this behavior is not simply understanding that others have their own motivations, but imputing negative motivations onto others.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    It's estimates of future behavior from past public behavior and public statements and documented funding. Ask a teacher how they feel about Betsy Devos and you will get two very very very different answers largely depending on political ideologies that have nothing to do with teaching because of her history and "friends". She isn't exactly friendly to public education, and a lot of the funding for pushing for voucher programs comes from religious organizations. For a concrete example, our state has had vouchers for decades, and it has done jack, diddly, and squat for improving public schools in the area, because it turns out letting the rich kids go to a school only they can go to just means they have an easier time neglecting the other hundred thousand kids in the state that weren't born to the local power family. Meanwhile up north where there isn't enough density to support a school as a private business and not enough rich families to want it anyway, everyone is put into the same couple schools which struggle to ever have enough money to do even the basics but the teachers are good and the material is good and the effort is there, so for the kids that want education, there's a perfectly good one for all to have. I was classmates with a famous Senator's niece, and we had the same teachers and it turns out the world doesn't end when you let the poors learn stuff.

guy98238710 3y ago

Don't be so cynical. There are serious problems with schools and there's no visible progress, so many people gave up. They concluded the problems are endemic and permanent and the only way to fix them is to dissolve the schools entirely.

mrguyorama 3y ago
Which is why they are pretty much universally funded by religious fundamentalists who spent their past years trying to force textbook writers to deny climate change or evolution as basic scientific facts. This isn't disillusioned people looking to tear it all down and rebuild a wonderful new system, unless you think Betsy Devos is some sort of anarchist. These people have very specific complaints about the school system that rarely have to do with the actual problems of actual outcomes, because the people who by and large ARE getting actual bad outcomes from the public school system don't really have a voice.
- guy98238710 3y ago
  What religious fundamentalists? Maybe in the US? Where I live, schools are actually a source of aggressive religious propaganda. But the problems with schools are far wider than that they become ideological battlefields with propaganda-filled curricula. Lots of non-religious and moderate people see the problems.