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My ex is crazy stalker. Sometimes they would get drunk, look through my facebook and linkedin, and send me many nasty messages. Very annoying. Removing my onli

My ex is crazy stalker. Sometimes they would get drunk, look through my facebook and linkedin, and send me many nasty messages. Very annoying. Removing my online presence solved this. > Hey, I have a crazy story. I found this website today. There used to be this person who did this and that. And he’s our grand-grand-grand-father Imagine your class mates would discover, that your grand-grand-grand father owned slaves and they had pictures...

sokoloff 3y ago
Imagine my grand-grand-grand-father was a murderer. Am I guilty of his crime?
- hobs 3y ago
  It depends, how much stolen loot did he bequeath to you?
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    The amount that can be proven to criminal trial standards (beyond a reasonable doubt) is exactly zero. In that case, am I guilty of his crime?
    - philipwhiuk 3y ago
      Equating lack of legal proof to morally defensible is laughable in any context.
    - code_runner 3y ago
      You seem to think that people will care about this proof or believe you in any way. Even if they do, they can still hate you because hating people on the internet is easy.
      - sokoloff 3y ago
        Indeed. There is no avoiding people hating people for things they haven’t done and no amount or form of payment from the latter group will cause that to statement be falsified.
    - gsich 3y ago
      No. Of course not, don't let others tell you otherwise.
- tureu92 3y ago
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  - gsich 3y ago
    No.
- navjack27 3y ago
  Did you change your name from Sokolov? Was your grand grand grand father the creator of Shagohod? Big Boss stopped it before things got out of control. But, otherwise, we are not guilty of our predecessor's crimes.
bowsamic 3y ago
> Imagine your class mates would discover, that your grand-grand-grand father owned slaves and they had pictures... Why would I worry about people knowing what my great great grandfather did?
lawgimenez 3y ago
This is one of the episodes of the Atlanta TV series.
Pigalowda 3y ago
I bet you don’t believe in original sin but here you are.
- Broken_Hippo 3y ago
  Children get made fun of by other children all the time based on their families. Sometimes they get special treatment because of who they are related to as well: scholarships do this all the time, but punishments get lighter sometimes too. It isn't fair, but no one can really escape their family history. And while mature folks understand that their ancestors were probably horrible people, sometimes by both today's and yesterday's standards - it isn't something that always shows in actions.
dghlsakjg 3y ago
Genealogy sites make this sort of thing very easy. If your ancestors were slave owners, that information is there. If there is a picture, that will be there too. You would be astounded the sorts of detailed records that people have found and digitized.
- MrOwnPut 3y ago
  It's not that much effort either as owned slaves were included on the census. Pretty much if you were an affluent family that could afford one, you owned at least one slave. Notably, Mitch McConnell's, Obama's, and Biden's ancestors are all confirmed to have owned slaves. Not surprising as they all come from affluent families.
pessimizer 3y ago
Maybe if everyone stopped pretending they weren't descended from slaveowners, it would be less of a stigma and more of observing a fact about the world as it is? Everybody denying that they're descended from slaveholders just wipes slaveholders from history. It becomes significantly harder to talk liberal/libertarian shit if everybody knows you're a descendant of slaveholders speaking to an audience of descendants of slaveholders, ridiculing the descendants of slaves.

sokoloff 3y ago

Imagine my grand-grand-grand-father was a murderer. Am I guilty of his crime?

hobs 3y ago
It depends, how much stolen loot did he bequeath to you?
- sokoloff 3y ago
  The amount that can be proven to criminal trial standards (beyond a reasonable doubt) is exactly zero. In that case, am I guilty of his crime?
  - philipwhiuk 3y ago
    Equating lack of legal proof to morally defensible is laughable in any context.
  - code_runner 3y ago
    You seem to think that people will care about this proof or believe you in any way. Even if they do, they can still hate you because hating people on the internet is easy.
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      Indeed. There is no avoiding people hating people for things they haven’t done and no amount or form of payment from the latter group will cause that to statement be falsified.
  - gsich 3y ago
    No. Of course not, don't let others tell you otherwise.
tureu92 3y ago
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- gsich 3y ago
  No.
navjack27 3y ago
Did you change your name from Sokolov? Was your grand grand grand father the creator of Shagohod? Big Boss stopped it before things got out of control. But, otherwise, we are not guilty of our predecessor's crimes.

bowsamic 3y ago

> Imagine your class mates would discover, that your grand-grand-grand father owned slaves and they had pictures... Why would I worry about people knowing what my great great grandfather did?

lawgimenez 3y ago

This is one of the episodes of the Atlanta TV series.

Pigalowda 3y ago

I bet you don’t believe in original sin but here you are.

Broken_Hippo 3y ago
Children get made fun of by other children all the time based on their families. Sometimes they get special treatment because of who they are related to as well: scholarships do this all the time, but punishments get lighter sometimes too. It isn't fair, but no one can really escape their family history. And while mature folks understand that their ancestors were probably horrible people, sometimes by both today's and yesterday's standards - it isn't something that always shows in actions.

dghlsakjg 3y ago

Genealogy sites make this sort of thing very easy. If your ancestors were slave owners, that information is there. If there is a picture, that will be there too. You would be astounded the sorts of detailed records that people have found and digitized.

MrOwnPut 3y ago
It's not that much effort either as owned slaves were included on the census. Pretty much if you were an affluent family that could afford one, you owned at least one slave. Notably, Mitch McConnell's, Obama's, and Biden's ancestors are all confirmed to have owned slaves. Not surprising as they all come from affluent families.

pessimizer 3y ago

Maybe if everyone stopped pretending they weren't descended from slaveowners, it would be less of a stigma and more of observing a fact about the world as it is? Everybody denying that they're descended from slaveholders just wipes slaveholders from history. It becomes significantly harder to talk liberal/libertarian shit if everybody knows you're a descendant of slaveholders speaking to an audience of descendants of slaveholders, ridiculing the descendants of slaves.