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> interesting to see a big international company actually back up their "we just won't do europe then" that's the most interesting things to me. Whether: 1- T

> interesting to see a big international company actually back up their "we just won't do europe then" that's the most interesting things to me. Whether: 1- Threads is dead in the water 2- They figure it out and makes the EU happy 3- EU is irrelevant enough to be ignored 2- still looks like the most likely 1- would be very embarrassing and 3- would be, indeed, an "interesting" development.

Keirmot 3y ago
Let me give my 2 cents as an EU citizen. The way I see it is a mix of all of that, but number 3 is the biggest. Twitter is not big here. There’s people who use it, sure, but there’s a reason you don’t see that many EU issue trending on Twitter. Here’s an example out of the top of my head: France is rioting and it barely registered on Twitter. The biggest European market for Twitter is the UK and it has 19M users, the second biggest is France with 9.5M [1] The only time I see EU events surging on Twitter is during continental sporting events like Champions League, or Eurovision. Twitter is just that that big around here. Instagram on the other hand, I don’t know anyone without an IG account - so that might muddy the waters on this dynamic. This however is just my personal experience. [1] https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/number-of-twitter-users-by-country https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/number-of-twitter-users-by...
- rospaya 3y ago
  You aren't wrong, but Twitter's importance comes from who is using it, not the raw numbers.
- jen20 3y ago
  By contrast, when I was on Twitter (up until rumours of the Musk purchase), 75% of what I saw was European-centric.
- superq 3y ago
  > France is rioting Your point is well taken, and if anything that's a significant understatement. This is one of the most significant protests (or nearly civil war) to occur in France since the Revolution. > and it barely registered on Twitter. Indeed. I saw videos of what was happening in Wuhan in late 2019, but tbh it was mostly linked by comments on (where else) HN, so I may not have discovered it via Twitter's own tools.
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    > Your point is well taken, and if anything that's a significant understatement. This is one of the most significant protests (or nearly civil war) to occur in France since the Revolution. As someone from Europe who isn't French. It's just another France rioting story. It might be big in France but for the rest of us, it's just looks like another France rioting story which they were doing for the past few months. It's not just that it's barely registering on Twitter, it's barely registering anywhere because lots of us are just so used to France rioting that it's not really news. It's like mass shootings in the US. I think there was a new one over 4th July holiday period but I am not 100% sure because we're so numb to mass shootings out of the US. They need to do something super wtf like have the police stand outside a classroom while a school shooter is shooting children for us to register.
    - dash2 3y ago
      Yeah, but that may not be accurate. These aren't quite "just more French riots" - they have been unusually serious, violent and destructive. At least, the French seem to think so. (Though this might partly be because it's non-white kids from the banlieu rather than white gilets jaunes from the countryside, I don't know.)
      - DropInIn 3y ago
        It's very much racism Essentially it's like how the average protest with minorities is treated vs Jan 6.... The former the cops toss tear gas, kettle them and beat them with baton and "rubber" bullets while the latter theres cops literally moving the barricades aside and escorting the rioters around....
        411111111111111 3y ago
        Pretty much all videos I've seen of the current riots (mostly filmed via phones from bystanders) in France show a very different picture then racism. Even that unfortunate incident when they killed the teen was very much reactionary, as people have been throwing Molotov cocktails etc at them for weeks now. Honestly, i do understand the perspective of the rioters. Not having a chance to improve your life would make me violent too, i think... But framing the police as racists acting out is misguided considering that most of the issues are social in nature and not caused by the police. And this might be too nitpicky for such an emotional topic, but the term racism gets thrown around way too much. I think it's more akin to classism, as it seems like you're still gonna get discriminated against if you originate from the poor areas, no matter what the color of your skin is.
Levitz 3y ago
What is the EU missing out on if Threads never enters it though? I don't believe Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok or Twitter were net gains for people. I don't see how Threads might be. I do honestly believe that if all these services disappeared overnight we would live in a better world. I legit just don't want Threads to enter the EU, ever.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  EU is not an arbiter of which particular business it likes or doesn't like. It's not Russia.
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    It can make particular businesses not profitable or even possible. Which is basically the issue for Threads at the moment.
  - johngladtj 3y ago
    That's why it bans businesses it doesn't like, right?
    - tremon 3y ago
      Can you name one business that was banned by name, rather than by practice? (I think Huawei might qualify, but I'm not sure what else).
      - that_guy_iain 3y ago
        Huawei having problems security wise is generally a national issue and not an EU issue. Their products are being sold in the EU with no problems.
  - Levitz 3y ago
    EU can very well decide not to allow any product they please. There are products that can't be sold on the EU because of health concerns. Threads is no different.

Keirmot 3y ago

Let me give my 2 cents as an EU citizen. The way I see it is a mix of all of that, but number 3 is the biggest. Twitter is not big here. There’s people who use it, sure, but there’s a reason you don’t see that many EU issue trending on Twitter. Here’s an example out of the top of my head: France is rioting and it barely registered on Twitter. The biggest European market for Twitter is the UK and it has 19M users, the second biggest is France with 9.5M [1] The only time I see EU events surging on Twitter is during continental sporting events like Champions League, or Eurovision. Twitter is just that that big around here. Instagram on the other hand, I don’t know anyone without an IG account - so that might muddy the waters on this dynamic. This however is just my personal experience. [1] https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/number-of-twitter-users-by-country https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/number-of-twitter-users-by...

rospaya 3y ago
You aren't wrong, but Twitter's importance comes from who is using it, not the raw numbers.
jen20 3y ago
By contrast, when I was on Twitter (up until rumours of the Musk purchase), 75% of what I saw was European-centric.
superq 3y ago
> France is rioting Your point is well taken, and if anything that's a significant understatement. This is one of the most significant protests (or nearly civil war) to occur in France since the Revolution. > and it barely registered on Twitter. Indeed. I saw videos of what was happening in Wuhan in late 2019, but tbh it was mostly linked by comments on (where else) HN, so I may not have discovered it via Twitter's own tools.
- that_guy_iain 3y ago
  > Your point is well taken, and if anything that's a significant understatement. This is one of the most significant protests (or nearly civil war) to occur in France since the Revolution. As someone from Europe who isn't French. It's just another France rioting story. It might be big in France but for the rest of us, it's just looks like another France rioting story which they were doing for the past few months. It's not just that it's barely registering on Twitter, it's barely registering anywhere because lots of us are just so used to France rioting that it's not really news. It's like mass shootings in the US. I think there was a new one over 4th July holiday period but I am not 100% sure because we're so numb to mass shootings out of the US. They need to do something super wtf like have the police stand outside a classroom while a school shooter is shooting children for us to register.
  - dash2 3y ago
    Yeah, but that may not be accurate. These aren't quite "just more French riots" - they have been unusually serious, violent and destructive. At least, the French seem to think so. (Though this might partly be because it's non-white kids from the banlieu rather than white gilets jaunes from the countryside, I don't know.)
    - DropInIn 3y ago
      It's very much racism Essentially it's like how the average protest with minorities is treated vs Jan 6.... The former the cops toss tear gas, kettle them and beat them with baton and "rubber" bullets while the latter theres cops literally moving the barricades aside and escorting the rioters around....
      - 411111111111111 3y ago
        Pretty much all videos I've seen of the current riots (mostly filmed via phones from bystanders) in France show a very different picture then racism. Even that unfortunate incident when they killed the teen was very much reactionary, as people have been throwing Molotov cocktails etc at them for weeks now. Honestly, i do understand the perspective of the rioters. Not having a chance to improve your life would make me violent too, i think... But framing the police as racists acting out is misguided considering that most of the issues are social in nature and not caused by the police. And this might be too nitpicky for such an emotional topic, but the term racism gets thrown around way too much. I think it's more akin to classism, as it seems like you're still gonna get discriminated against if you originate from the poor areas, no matter what the color of your skin is.

Levitz 3y ago

What is the EU missing out on if Threads never enters it though? I don't believe Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok or Twitter were net gains for people. I don't see how Threads might be. I do honestly believe that if all these services disappeared overnight we would live in a better world. I legit just don't want Threads to enter the EU, ever.

3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
EU is not an arbiter of which particular business it likes or doesn't like. It's not Russia.
- that_guy_iain 3y ago
  It can make particular businesses not profitable or even possible. Which is basically the issue for Threads at the moment.
- johngladtj 3y ago
  That's why it bans businesses it doesn't like, right?
  - tremon 3y ago
    Can you name one business that was banned by name, rather than by practice? (I think Huawei might qualify, but I'm not sure what else).
    - that_guy_iain 3y ago
      Huawei having problems security wise is generally a national issue and not an EU issue. Their products are being sold in the EU with no problems.
- Levitz 3y ago
  EU can very well decide not to allow any product they please. There are products that can't be sold on the EU because of health concerns. Threads is no different.