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What is fenced off for Europeans? Admittedly I've been living outside of Europe for some time, but some of my self hosted stuff is still based there, and a lot

What is fenced off for Europeans? Admittedly I've been living outside of Europe for some time, but some of my self hosted stuff is still based there, and a lot of friends, and I haven't had or heard of a problem with being "kept out" of new products.

TekMol 3y ago
Let's go for an unbiased list. You name the 10 most important tech products of the year so far. And then we go through them and see if they are available in Europe.
- vincnetas 3y ago
  I think the burden of proof lies on the one who makes a claim. So you should be providing list of services that are not available to europeans. And bonus points for not using "threads by instagram" in that list.
  - TekMol 3y ago
    the burden of proof lies on the one who makes a claim Now you made a claim. Time to proof it.
    - tough 3y ago
      Bard
    - ilyt 3y ago
      basic logic and courtesy 1:0 TekMol
    - troupo 3y ago
      You literally made a claim in your very first reply: "Tech companies now seem to geo-fence their new products and keep European users out right from the start." When asked for proof, you've run away.
    - tremon 3y ago
      Will you ever graduate kindergarten?
- radiospiel 3y ago
  ...or, say, in Japan.
- troupo 3y ago
  > You name the 10 most important tech products of the year so far. Do name them, please. And then revisit that list and ask yourself: how many of them exist because of two things: - unlimited investor money with no expectation of profitability - blatant disregard of data privacy, user privacy, and/or other laws. Great example is OpenAI. They said they welcomed regulation. The moment EU proposed level-headed sensible regulation [1] that among other things required documentation on how foundational models are trained and where they get their data, Altman screamed that they would pull out of EU. [1] https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-act/ https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-ac...
theonlybutlet 3y ago
Personal anecdote, I think I've encountered a few news/radio stations being blocked (self censored), I think I can count the instances on one hand. I browse a lot. Certain services are blocked like Bard, and Meta Threads, but that's more common with services, even for countries outside the EU.
PartiallyTyped 3y ago
The only mildly significant thing is Instagram.Threads; other than that, I don't know.
- troupo 3y ago
  Instagram isn't blocked in Europe. Threads isn't blocked either. It's Facebook's own conscious decision because they haven't yet found a way to circumvent privacy laws.
  - PartiallyTyped 3y ago
    I didn't use the word 'blocked', and I didn't say Instagram either. I said Instagram.Threads, to separate between threads.net and threads.com. > because they haven't yet found a way to circumvent privacy laws So the fence is working.
    - troupo 3y ago
      > I said Instagram.Threads, to separate between threads.net and threads.com. Ah, didn't catch that :) > So the fence is working. Indeed. Sorry for misunderstanding!
ilyt 3y ago
I've seen few american news sites and shops showing the fuck you EU page. which is a bit weird because if shops does none of the business with EU they don't even need it...

TekMol 3y ago

Let's go for an unbiased list. You name the 10 most important tech products of the year so far. And then we go through them and see if they are available in Europe.

vincnetas 3y ago
I think the burden of proof lies on the one who makes a claim. So you should be providing list of services that are not available to europeans. And bonus points for not using "threads by instagram" in that list.
- TekMol 3y ago
  the burden of proof lies on the one who makes a claim Now you made a claim. Time to proof it.
  - tough 3y ago
    Bard
  - ilyt 3y ago
    basic logic and courtesy 1:0 TekMol
  - troupo 3y ago
    You literally made a claim in your very first reply: "Tech companies now seem to geo-fence their new products and keep European users out right from the start." When asked for proof, you've run away.
  - tremon 3y ago
    Will you ever graduate kindergarten?
radiospiel 3y ago
...or, say, in Japan.
troupo 3y ago
> You name the 10 most important tech products of the year so far. Do name them, please. And then revisit that list and ask yourself: how many of them exist because of two things: - unlimited investor money with no expectation of profitability - blatant disregard of data privacy, user privacy, and/or other laws. Great example is OpenAI. They said they welcomed regulation. The moment EU proposed level-headed sensible regulation [1] that among other things required documentation on how foundational models are trained and where they get their data, Altman screamed that they would pull out of EU. [1] https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-act/ https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-ac...

theonlybutlet 3y ago

Personal anecdote, I think I've encountered a few news/radio stations being blocked (self censored), I think I can count the instances on one hand. I browse a lot. Certain services are blocked like Bard, and Meta Threads, but that's more common with services, even for countries outside the EU.

PartiallyTyped 3y ago

The only mildly significant thing is Instagram.Threads; other than that, I don't know.

troupo 3y ago
Instagram isn't blocked in Europe. Threads isn't blocked either. It's Facebook's own conscious decision because they haven't yet found a way to circumvent privacy laws.
- PartiallyTyped 3y ago
  I didn't use the word 'blocked', and I didn't say Instagram either. I said Instagram.Threads, to separate between threads.net and threads.com. > because they haven't yet found a way to circumvent privacy laws So the fence is working.
  - troupo 3y ago
    > I said Instagram.Threads, to separate between threads.net and threads.com. Ah, didn't catch that :) > So the fence is working. Indeed. Sorry for misunderstanding!

ilyt 3y ago

I've seen few american news sites and shops showing the fuck you EU page. which is a bit weird because if shops does none of the business with EU they don't even need it...