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FAR more concerning is https://www.senat.fr/leg/tas22-148.pdf https://www.senat.fr/leg/tas22-148.pdf page 43, second half, article 2212 first, second and fifth

by kkfx 3y ago

FAR more concerning is https://www.senat.fr/leg/tas22-148.pdf https://www.senat.fr/leg/tas22-148.pdf page 43, second half, article 2212 first, second and fifth paragraph, a complete rewrite of a national defense law who add the possibility INSTEAD of just ordering domestic enterprises to prioritize war-related productions adding the power to requisition ANYTHING, private citizens properties AND their own bodies, just on a decree by Council of Ministers bypassing ANY other law. Curiously so far only few extreme left and extreme right sites have pointed that out loud. Meanwhile at the Parliament a nice intervention to "limit surveillance power" for connected sex toys https://twitter.com/Ugobernalicis/status/1676639024184786958 https://twitter.com/Ugobernalicis/status/1676639024184786958 Welcome to the Summer 2023.

Aerroon 3y ago
Is it still a free country if the prime minister can requisition anybody's property or services via a decree? It's declaring the State and the government to be above the people.
ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago
Does this not help temper the concern somewhat? >Art. L. 2212-3. – Les mesures prescrites en application des articles L. 2212-1 et L. 2212-2 sont strictement proportionnées aux objectifs poursuivis et appropriées aux circonstances de temps et de lieu. Elles ne peuvent être ordonnées qu’à défaut de tout autre moyen adéquat disponible dans un délai utile. Il y est mis fin sans délai lorsqu’elles ne sont plus nécessaires.
- naunauyoh 3y ago
  Seems a bit like an empty statement, "autre moyen adéquat" seems a bit too vague and could just result in a "We tried nothing and we're out of ideas, let's apply article 2212-1"
lost_tourist 3y ago
Might be time for them to elect a nutter like Le Pen to swing it bit back the other way.
naunauyoh 3y ago
Not to be that guy, but if France were to enter a war/emergency situation, wouldn't that type of article be applied de-facto? I guess the surprising part is that it's up to the Prime Minister to define "Emergency"?
- kkfx 3y ago
  De facto it's a totally different thing because means "locally" where the emergency is locally evident, not arbitrary declared by a handful of people. Beside that in a Democracy only the Parliament can declare a state of emergency.
akomtu 3y ago
Remember how a year or so ago Makron talked to Putin face to face, when everyone else stayed away? Perhaps it was then Makron was infected with the spirit of fascism.

by kkfx 3y ago

Aerroon 3y ago

Is it still a free country if the prime minister can requisition anybody's property or services via a decree? It's declaring the State and the government to be above the people.

ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago

Does this not help temper the concern somewhat? >Art. L. 2212-3. – Les mesures prescrites en application des articles L. 2212-1 et L. 2212-2 sont strictement proportionnées aux objectifs poursuivis et appropriées aux circonstances de temps et de lieu. Elles ne peuvent être ordonnées qu’à défaut de tout autre moyen adéquat disponible dans un délai utile. Il y est mis fin sans délai lorsqu’elles ne sont plus nécessaires.

naunauyoh 3y ago
Seems a bit like an empty statement, "autre moyen adéquat" seems a bit too vague and could just result in a "We tried nothing and we're out of ideas, let's apply article 2212-1"

lost_tourist 3y ago

Might be time for them to elect a nutter like Le Pen to swing it bit back the other way.

naunauyoh 3y ago

Not to be that guy, but if France were to enter a war/emergency situation, wouldn't that type of article be applied de-facto? I guess the surprising part is that it's up to the Prime Minister to define "Emergency"?

kkfx 3y ago
De facto it's a totally different thing because means "locally" where the emergency is locally evident, not arbitrary declared by a handful of people. Beside that in a Democracy only the Parliament can declare a state of emergency.

akomtu 3y ago

Remember how a year or so ago Makron talked to Putin face to face, when everyone else stayed away? Perhaps it was then Makron was infected with the spirit of fascism.