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Yes, and that's a great ArtX doing and legacy tracing roots to SGI and Nintendo64 cooperation which ATI bought (into). However, it's not at all relevant since c

Yes, and that's a great ArtX doing and legacy tracing roots to SGI and Nintendo64 cooperation which ATI bought (into). However, it's not at all relevant since consumers aren't buying those for AMD GPUs, they are specialized (to consoles), and they're buying it for the brand of consoles themselves not because they have AMD GPU in it. Same parallel could then be drawn for intel's integrated GPUs. We're talking discrete GPU cards where market directly picks and chooses and it chose Nvidia that it's not even a contest anymore it seems. Even HPC area is done for almost.

photonerd 3y ago
The market however IS buying those. The market has spoken, remember?
- Keyframe 3y ago
  That's not how it works. But I'll bite since you seem to follow a religion here - you can follow market talks from other end, revenue. It tells the same story, eerily so in fact.
  - tomnipotent 3y ago
    > It tells the same story, eerily so in fact. NVIDIA had $11bln in 2022 revenues from graphics vs. AMD's $6bln.
    - Keyframe 3y ago
      Nvidia has 7b per quarter, AMD 5b (out of which 1.7 are all GPUs including consoles)
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scns 3y ago
Place one and three of the Top500 are AMD powered, Nvidias' highest is position four. https://top500.org/lists/top500/2023/06/ https://top500.org/lists/top500/2023/06/
- Keyframe 3y ago
  Right, at the moment and that game changes all the time. However, we're talking share here where 5 out of top 10 are Nvidia (which also changes, yes - and not in favor of AMD but those "other" systems which are mostly under sanctions and can't buy Nvidia at scale). Top five accelerators / co-processors in TOP500 are Nvida per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500 . If you ask Nvidia they'll tell you 64-68% of TOP500 are Nvidia, but they count interconnect as well, not just GPU. Truth is somewhere down, probably within 1/3-1/2 area. It's really not hard to see AMD is putting up a fight, but against a giant. Nvidia outclassed AMD's sales in b2b as well as towards consumers by a big margin which is reflected both in revenue and ultimately market cap. Reason why that's so, since both are fabless, lies primarily within R&D Nvidia did execute on rather well - but that's just like my opinion, man. Everything else are facts.

photonerd 3y ago

The market however IS buying those. The market has spoken, remember?

Keyframe 3y ago
That's not how it works. But I'll bite since you seem to follow a religion here - you can follow market talks from other end, revenue. It tells the same story, eerily so in fact.
- tomnipotent 3y ago
  > It tells the same story, eerily so in fact. NVIDIA had $11bln in 2022 revenues from graphics vs. AMD's $6bln.
  - Keyframe 3y ago
    Nvidia has 7b per quarter, AMD 5b (out of which 1.7 are all GPUs including consoles)
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scns 3y ago

Place one and three of the Top500 are AMD powered, Nvidias' highest is position four. https://top500.org/lists/top500/2023/06/ https://top500.org/lists/top500/2023/06/

Keyframe 3y ago
Right, at the moment and that game changes all the time. However, we're talking share here where 5 out of top 10 are Nvidia (which also changes, yes - and not in favor of AMD but those "other" systems which are mostly under sanctions and can't buy Nvidia at scale). Top five accelerators / co-processors in TOP500 are Nvida per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500 . If you ask Nvidia they'll tell you 64-68% of TOP500 are Nvidia, but they count interconnect as well, not just GPU. Truth is somewhere down, probably within 1/3-1/2 area. It's really not hard to see AMD is putting up a fight, but against a giant. Nvidia outclassed AMD's sales in b2b as well as towards consumers by a big margin which is reflected both in revenue and ultimately market cap. Reason why that's so, since both are fabless, lies primarily within R&D Nvidia did execute on rather well - but that's just like my opinion, man. Everything else are facts.