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No my problem with Twitter is that the quality of the discourse is poor and getting worse every day. Which is a direct result of Musk deciding to prioritise bl

No my problem with Twitter is that the quality of the discourse is poor and getting worse every day. Which is a direct result of Musk deciding to prioritise blue check comments over others. If you're having to pay to have people listen to you then that means you typically don't have something worth saying. And we see this manifest in many ways e.g. pages of laughing emojis in response to a tweet.

mongol 3y ago
> If you're having to pay to have people listen to you then that means you typically don't have something worth saying. This basically invalidates all of advertising in one stroke.
- goodpoint 3y ago
  As it should. Why, did you think ads were valuable information?
- xg15 3y ago
  That's correct. I think this is how most people see advertising.
  - csallen 3y ago
    Advertising works extremely well precisely because most people are aware that many brands with something of value are also willing to pay for ads. Look at Apple.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      I would bet a small majority of people believe advertising "doesn't work" on them.
  - prox 3y ago
    For me it depends on the advertising. A brand that sells say bags? It’s fine, I love a cool bag. And then there is the “Play this one stupid game that has everyone hooked!!!” With an unrelated picture. Or “This guy became a millionaire in ONE day!1!” type of advertising.
- Levitz 3y ago
  People literally pay in order to escape advertising. Of course advertising is not worth it for the target. It's harmful more often than not.
- superq 3y ago
  Jimmy James on Advertising (from the 90's sitcom NewsRadio) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhrnMbhMgmw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhrnMbhMgmw
dgb23 3y ago
For me, Twitter’s utility is that of a notification hub of people and orgs that interest me. Plus some gossip here or there. The problem is that there’s so much noise that it fails at that. So I end up not using it when I don’t already know something is going on.
belorn 3y ago
Facebook changed their algorithm several years ago (2014?) to prioritize paid content over organic comments. This resulted in many companies being force to change how they communicated, as people who followed them were not guaranteed to receive critical information if posted on Facebook. I guess the biggest difference is that Facebook has had almost 10 years to adjust the algorithm towards paid content, and have users becoming accustomed to the system.
- ahahahahah 3y ago
  > Facebook changed their algorithm several years ago (2014?) to prioritize paid content over organic comments. That's a lie. Instead, "Facebook realized that users were growing wary of misleading teaser headlines, and the company recalibrated its algorithm in 2014 and 2015 to downgrade clickbait and focus on new metrics, such as the amount of time a user spent reading a story or watching a video, and incorporating surveys on what content users found most valuable" For companies that were depending on the organic reach of their clickbaity or low quality posts for their advertising, this had the effect of forcing them to pay to get that same reach. But it wasn't in any way that facebook was prioritizing paid over organic content.
  - belorn 3y ago
    The average rate of organic content on Facebook is 5%, and has steadily increased the amount of paid content that users get on their feeds compared to organic content. Feel free to provide a source that show a decrease in advertisements on Facebook.

mongol 3y ago

> If you're having to pay to have people listen to you then that means you typically don't have something worth saying. This basically invalidates all of advertising in one stroke.

goodpoint 3y ago
As it should. Why, did you think ads were valuable information?
xg15 3y ago
That's correct. I think this is how most people see advertising.
- csallen 3y ago
  Advertising works extremely well precisely because most people are aware that many brands with something of value are also willing to pay for ads. Look at Apple.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    I would bet a small majority of people believe advertising "doesn't work" on them.
- prox 3y ago
  For me it depends on the advertising. A brand that sells say bags? It’s fine, I love a cool bag. And then there is the “Play this one stupid game that has everyone hooked!!!” With an unrelated picture. Or “This guy became a millionaire in ONE day!1!” type of advertising.
Levitz 3y ago
People literally pay in order to escape advertising. Of course advertising is not worth it for the target. It's harmful more often than not.
superq 3y ago
Jimmy James on Advertising (from the 90's sitcom NewsRadio) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhrnMbhMgmw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhrnMbhMgmw

dgb23 3y ago

For me, Twitter’s utility is that of a notification hub of people and orgs that interest me. Plus some gossip here or there. The problem is that there’s so much noise that it fails at that. So I end up not using it when I don’t already know something is going on.

belorn 3y ago

Facebook changed their algorithm several years ago (2014?) to prioritize paid content over organic comments. This resulted in many companies being force to change how they communicated, as people who followed them were not guaranteed to receive critical information if posted on Facebook. I guess the biggest difference is that Facebook has had almost 10 years to adjust the algorithm towards paid content, and have users becoming accustomed to the system.

ahahahahah 3y ago
> Facebook changed their algorithm several years ago (2014?) to prioritize paid content over organic comments. That's a lie. Instead, "Facebook realized that users were growing wary of misleading teaser headlines, and the company recalibrated its algorithm in 2014 and 2015 to downgrade clickbait and focus on new metrics, such as the amount of time a user spent reading a story or watching a video, and incorporating surveys on what content users found most valuable" For companies that were depending on the organic reach of their clickbaity or low quality posts for their advertising, this had the effect of forcing them to pay to get that same reach. But it wasn't in any way that facebook was prioritizing paid over organic content.
- belorn 3y ago
  The average rate of organic content on Facebook is 5%, and has steadily increased the amount of paid content that users get on their feeds compared to organic content. Feel free to provide a source that show a decrease in advertisements on Facebook.