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A number of STEM majors graduating in 2009 and 2010 decided to get a masters rather than enter that economy. As the economy recovered, STEM hiring picked up su

by shagie 3y ago

A number of STEM majors graduating in 2009 and 2010 decided to get a masters rather than enter that economy. As the economy recovered, STEM hiring picked up substantially and people with a masters degree were quite hirable. https://www.bls.gov/spotlight/2017/science-technology-engineering-and-mathematics-stem-occupations-past-present-and-future/pdf/science-technology-engineering-and-mathematics-stem-occupations-past-present-and-future.pdf https://www.bls.gov/spotlight/2017/science-technology-engine... > Employment in STEM occupations grew by 10.5 percent, or 817,260 jobs, between May 2009 and May 2015, compared with 5.2 percent net growth in non-STEM occupations. Computer occupations and engineers were among the types of STEM occupations with the highest job gains. Employment in computer occupations was nearly 3.2 million in May 2009 and nearly 3.9 million in May 2015. Employment of engineers was nearly 1.5 million in May 2009, compared with over 1.6 million in May 2015. Some STEM occupations lost jobs. In 2009, there were nearly 478,000 jobs in STEM-related sales occupations, compared with approximately 406,000 in 2015.

lapcat 3y ago
The OP didn't even say which year this happened. Anyway, I'm not disputing that grad students leave school for job opportunities. I am disputing whether they left because of some student union disagreement, and whether such a union disagreement could somehow limit undergraduate enrollment. Moreover, the budget for the University of Wisconsin is set by the Governor and legislature, so if there's no enough money to pay TAs more, it's their fault.
- shagie 3y ago
  In Wisconsin politics and with the context of unions, 2011 was a very memorable year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_Act_10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_Act_10 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_protests If you were a STEM major graduating in 2009 or 2010, you went to grad school for a year or two and got a masters to wait out the recession. In 2011, grad school was made much worse as the union for grad students was severely curtailed and benefits for state employees (grad students being state employees) reduced. As the economy was picking up and you've got a masters and hiring in STEM fields is outpacing all other hiring - it is time to put off procrastinating in grad school and get a job.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > In Wisconsin politics and with the context of unions, 2011 was a very memorable year. I'm confused about the nature of your reply. You're more or less repeating what I already said in an earlier comment: "Scott Walker was a major union buster who spurred massive protests at the Wisconsin State Capitol in 2011 and a recall election" To be clear, I'm a Wisconsinite and a former member of the TAA.
    - shagie 3y ago
      I suspect we're in agreement then. My comment was intended supporting material to your claim that the reason people left wasn't the wins by the TAA that became part of the 2010 benefits for domestic partners for state employees but rather that they were done procrastinating entering the job market.

by shagie 3y ago

lapcat 3y ago

The OP didn't even say which year this happened. Anyway, I'm not disputing that grad students leave school for job opportunities. I am disputing whether they left because of some student union disagreement, and whether such a union disagreement could somehow limit undergraduate enrollment. Moreover, the budget for the University of Wisconsin is set by the Governor and legislature, so if there's no enough money to pay TAs more, it's their fault.

shagie 3y ago
In Wisconsin politics and with the context of unions, 2011 was a very memorable year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_Act_10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_Act_10 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_protests If you were a STEM major graduating in 2009 or 2010, you went to grad school for a year or two and got a masters to wait out the recession. In 2011, grad school was made much worse as the union for grad students was severely curtailed and benefits for state employees (grad students being state employees) reduced. As the economy was picking up and you've got a masters and hiring in STEM fields is outpacing all other hiring - it is time to put off procrastinating in grad school and get a job.
- lapcat 3y ago
  > In Wisconsin politics and with the context of unions, 2011 was a very memorable year. I'm confused about the nature of your reply. You're more or less repeating what I already said in an earlier comment: "Scott Walker was a major union buster who spurred massive protests at the Wisconsin State Capitol in 2011 and a recall election" To be clear, I'm a Wisconsinite and a former member of the TAA.
  - shagie 3y ago
    I suspect we're in agreement then. My comment was intended supporting material to your claim that the reason people left wasn't the wins by the TAA that became part of the 2010 benefits for domestic partners for state employees but rather that they were done procrastinating entering the job market.