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>Whatever its flaws will be, they will be consistent. It is a strawman argument to say, "humans are unsafe drivers, so it is better to replace them with robot

>Whatever its flaws will be, they will be consistent. It is a strawman argument to say, "humans are unsafe drivers, so it is better to replace them with robot cars that are not as unsafe". Most intelligent, aware and skilled human drivers are consistent too. I've driven well over a million miles over the last 25 years, including cross-country trips but mostly in the heavy traffic in and around NYC and Long Island. Zero accidents and zero moving violations. If we want to make driving safer the very easy answer is to remove people who are unwilling or unable to drive well and safely. Unfortunately, for a variety of reasons, our disfunctional government refuses to revoke the licenses from people who have proven they are unwilling and/or unable to drive safely and jail people who drive without a license. The 95 year old who lives down the block, cannot see over the steering wheel and regularly wrecks her car continues to drive. The 20 year old a block over who speeds around without a license plate on his car continues to drive. The 35 year old with 55 moving violations and a license that is suspended speeds through the red light on the corner every day. It isn't impossible to make our roads safer - or even difficult - we just lack the political will.

chiggsy 3y ago
>I've driven well over a million miles over the last 25 years You sure about that? > Zero accidents and zero moving violations. Good for you! You must be saving tons of money with your undoubtedly low insurance rates. Props. > for a variety of reasons, our disfunctional government ... Police have finite resources. You'll need to pay more taxes to increase that. Oh hang on... > proven they are unwilling and/or unable to drive safely and jail people who drive without a license. >The 95 year old who lives down the block, cannot see over the steering wheel and regularly wrecks her car continues to drive. She passed her licence, did not total her car, and her insurance will go up due to her accidents Granny might not be a great driver, but just because she's 95 does not mean that she deserves to get shivved while bench pressing, surely? >The 20 year old a block over who speeds around without a license plate on his car continues to drive. You want him jailed, eh? Seems a bit much for a minor traffic violation. The 35 year old with 55 moving violations and a license that is suspended speeds through the red light on the corner every day. How do you know the license is suspended? How did you find out about the moving violations? How would your brownshirts identify these things? >It isn't impossible to make our roads safer - or even difficult - we just lack the political will. 100% agree. I'm not paying for room and board for these people. I certainly don't want to default to disenfranchisement, since they've paid years of taxes into road construction. What I would do, is focus on driving. We don't need to implement the damn Stasi just to fill your dungeons with your undesirables.
autoexec 3y ago
> our disfunctional government refuses to revoke the licenses from people who have proven they are unwilling and/or unable to drive safely and jail people who drive without a license. No one wants this. At least, no one who thought about what that would mean for more than a few minutes. We built our cities in a way that makes driving a necessity. There's no need to fill already overcrowded prisons with people just because they want to work, or eat, or get medical care but can't do any of those things without a car. After we redesign our cities to be walkable, and after we've invested in adequate public transportation systems, then maybe you'll find support for stricter enforcement.
- chiggsy 3y ago
  I'm not supporting this.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    I think there's a good case to be made that alcoholics who can't get sober and won't stay off the road, even though they have viable alternatives to driving, are a large enough danger to society that we'd need too keep them away from the rest of us. Ideally that'd be in a treatment center and not a jail cell though. The trick is making sure there are viable alternatives to driving.

chiggsy 3y ago

>I've driven well over a million miles over the last 25 years You sure about that? > Zero accidents and zero moving violations. Good for you! You must be saving tons of money with your undoubtedly low insurance rates. Props. > for a variety of reasons, our disfunctional government ... Police have finite resources. You'll need to pay more taxes to increase that. Oh hang on... > proven they are unwilling and/or unable to drive safely and jail people who drive without a license. >The 95 year old who lives down the block, cannot see over the steering wheel and regularly wrecks her car continues to drive. She passed her licence, did not total her car, and her insurance will go up due to her accidents Granny might not be a great driver, but just because she's 95 does not mean that she deserves to get shivved while bench pressing, surely? >The 20 year old a block over who speeds around without a license plate on his car continues to drive. You want him jailed, eh? Seems a bit much for a minor traffic violation. The 35 year old with 55 moving violations and a license that is suspended speeds through the red light on the corner every day. How do you know the license is suspended? How did you find out about the moving violations? How would your brownshirts identify these things? >It isn't impossible to make our roads safer - or even difficult - we just lack the political will. 100% agree. I'm not paying for room and board for these people. I certainly don't want to default to disenfranchisement, since they've paid years of taxes into road construction. What I would do, is focus on driving. We don't need to implement the damn Stasi just to fill your dungeons with your undesirables.

autoexec 3y ago

> our disfunctional government refuses to revoke the licenses from people who have proven they are unwilling and/or unable to drive safely and jail people who drive without a license. No one wants this. At least, no one who thought about what that would mean for more than a few minutes. We built our cities in a way that makes driving a necessity. There's no need to fill already overcrowded prisons with people just because they want to work, or eat, or get medical care but can't do any of those things without a car. After we redesign our cities to be walkable, and after we've invested in adequate public transportation systems, then maybe you'll find support for stricter enforcement.

chiggsy 3y ago
I'm not supporting this.
- autoexec 3y ago
  I think there's a good case to be made that alcoholics who can't get sober and won't stay off the road, even though they have viable alternatives to driving, are a large enough danger to society that we'd need too keep them away from the rest of us. Ideally that'd be in a treatment center and not a jail cell though. The trick is making sure there are viable alternatives to driving.