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Ubuntu, the distro for desktops and laptops, is DEAD and has been for sometime, Ubuntu is now Microsoft's lapdog. (For better or worse, I don't think it's super

by jrm4 3y ago

Ubuntu, the distro for desktops and laptops, is DEAD and has been for sometime, Ubuntu is now Microsoft's lapdog. (For better or worse, I don't think it's super evil, but let's just all be honest here) Linux Mint or MX Linux are the way to go here. Time to move on.

brian_herman 3y ago
I started on Debian and I will die using Debian. I have used Ubuntu before, and I admit it is a good way for Debian to get new features like an upstream or something.
- jimrob4 3y ago
  Ditto. Toyed with RH and Mandrake back in the day, but quickly moved to Debian and have been there since. Played with Ubuntu and a couple smaller niche distros, but always came back to good ol' Deborah.
  - timbit42 3y ago
    ...and Ian.
- tensor 3y ago
  I'll try debian again when they move to a yearly release. Using nearly two year old software in the worst case really sucks for some use cases.
  - tguvot 3y ago
    there is always testing and unstable - if you want something fresher. i personally run unstable for past 20 years. i think i had serious breakage only once
NoRelToEmber 3y ago
> Ubuntu is now Microsoft's lapdog. Could you elaborate?
- doublerabbit 3y ago
  What Microsoft does, Canonical will follow in the Linux realm? This does read like something Microsoft would do.
- mistrial9 3y ago
  on AWS in go-go years, Ubuntu with easy defaults and permissive licenses became the number one installed VM .. by a very large margin. The numbers were not even close.. like 15x more daily volume of VMs on AWS than the next closest three or whatever.. look for yourself. That in turn begat the very hot breath of MSFT upon Ubuntu-Canonical, which shows in the boot signing keys for Ubuntu, the MSFT-private partition type in the disk installer, and the WSL. MSFT influences can be seen in the push for always-on snap with libc and unattended-upgrades phone home and the like.
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Gordonjcp 3y ago
> Linux Mint or MX Linux are the way to go here So, Ubuntu, but with a slightly reskinned UI?
- pjerem 3y ago
  idk about MX Linux but Linux Mint is Ubuntu without any Snap, with additional official apt repos, Flatpack support out of the box and, last but not least, its own house made desktop environment. To me it’s as far from Ubuntu as Ubuntu is far from Debian.
  - Gordonjcp 3y ago
    Okay, but it's all just Linux. There's no real difference between any of them.
    - jrm4 3y ago
      This is 90% true, but also the 10% matters in terms of "onboarding people to the desktop," which I think still is very important (and actually going reasonably well, IMHO)
      - Gordonjcp 3y ago
        Right, but that's all taken care of. Chromebooks outsell everything else, and Android phones outsell everything else, and Steam Decks haven't quite got there yet but it's early days. Linux is 100% of one market segment, broadband routers. No matter how staunch a Windows zealot someone is, there's a bunch of stuff they depend on that cannot be done with Windows at all, not no-how.
- jrm4 3y ago
  And without the new Ubuntu crap, yes. That's the point.
  - Gordonjcp 3y ago
    Hm. And how long have you been using Linux, exactly?

by jrm4 3y ago

brian_herman 3y ago

I started on Debian and I will die using Debian. I have used Ubuntu before, and I admit it is a good way for Debian to get new features like an upstream or something.

jimrob4 3y ago
Ditto. Toyed with RH and Mandrake back in the day, but quickly moved to Debian and have been there since. Played with Ubuntu and a couple smaller niche distros, but always came back to good ol' Deborah.
- timbit42 3y ago
  ...and Ian.
tensor 3y ago
I'll try debian again when they move to a yearly release. Using nearly two year old software in the worst case really sucks for some use cases.
- tguvot 3y ago
  there is always testing and unstable - if you want something fresher. i personally run unstable for past 20 years. i think i had serious breakage only once

NoRelToEmber 3y ago

> Ubuntu is now Microsoft's lapdog. Could you elaborate?

doublerabbit 3y ago
What Microsoft does, Canonical will follow in the Linux realm? This does read like something Microsoft would do.
mistrial9 3y ago
on AWS in go-go years, Ubuntu with easy defaults and permissive licenses became the number one installed VM .. by a very large margin. The numbers were not even close.. like 15x more daily volume of VMs on AWS than the next closest three or whatever.. look for yourself. That in turn begat the very hot breath of MSFT upon Ubuntu-Canonical, which shows in the boot signing keys for Ubuntu, the MSFT-private partition type in the disk installer, and the WSL. MSFT influences can be seen in the push for always-on snap with libc and unattended-upgrades phone home and the like.

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Gordonjcp 3y ago

> Linux Mint or MX Linux are the way to go here So, Ubuntu, but with a slightly reskinned UI?

pjerem 3y ago
idk about MX Linux but Linux Mint is Ubuntu without any Snap, with additional official apt repos, Flatpack support out of the box and, last but not least, its own house made desktop environment. To me it’s as far from Ubuntu as Ubuntu is far from Debian.
- Gordonjcp 3y ago
  Okay, but it's all just Linux. There's no real difference between any of them.
  - jrm4 3y ago
    This is 90% true, but also the 10% matters in terms of "onboarding people to the desktop," which I think still is very important (and actually going reasonably well, IMHO)
    - Gordonjcp 3y ago
      Right, but that's all taken care of. Chromebooks outsell everything else, and Android phones outsell everything else, and Steam Decks haven't quite got there yet but it's early days. Linux is 100% of one market segment, broadband routers. No matter how staunch a Windows zealot someone is, there's a bunch of stuff they depend on that cannot be done with Windows at all, not no-how.
jrm4 3y ago
And without the new Ubuntu crap, yes. That's the point.
- Gordonjcp 3y ago
  Hm. And how long have you been using Linux, exactly?