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No, but the intention of the headline is definitely a grabber, and I think many (myself included) would prefer more neutral toned headlines, or maybe ones that

No, but the intention of the headline is definitely a grabber, and I think many (myself included) would prefer more neutral toned headlines, or maybe ones that word it so its more clear that its highlighting in part whats happening, IE: Sheriff Shares License Plate With Other States, Includes Abortion Related Travel May be more fair while still raising the issue

moate 3y ago
The irony being that sharing with more states is WORSE but because the (true) headline is tied to a specific hot button issue you find it bad?
InSteady 3y ago
In some people's view, this is not an issue to pussyfoot around over. The states trying to criminalize personal healthcare decisions certainly aren't. What a dystopian nightmare it would be to be a single mother barely above the poverty line and somehow get time off work and scrape together the cash for a trip several states away to get an abortion, only to wind up in prison for 10 years because mass data collection and dissemination is standard procedure for law enforcement and no one thought to protect the rights and privacy of pregnant women from out of state. It's actually sickening to think about. But yea let's talk more about how they should have written the headline to suit our sensibilities.
- no_wizard 3y ago
  I think its valid to think about both, I'm not slamming the SacBee for good content here, was simply speaking to their history of headline stuff. I was a subscriber when I lived there, I think they do great reporting. They're 100% right to raise this issue. I also think their headlines are overly tailored to "turn heads", so to speak.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  > trying to criminalize personal healthcare decisions Another one of those technically correct but not accurate statements and perhaps the root of the misunderstanding here. You could also frame it as "prevent the mass murder of children". A headline about this data in another state may say "local police collaborate with murderers" with the same level of accuracy.
  - InSteady 3y ago
    >You could also frame it as "prevent the mass murder of children". You could if your notions of the world are informed by superstitions and ancient dogma rather than science. >A headline about this data in another state may say "local police collaborate with murderers" with the same level of accuracy. You've lost the plot.
  - xenospn 3y ago
    You absolutely could not frame it as "prevent mass murder of children" since there is no murder and no children involved.
evan_ 3y ago
> more neutral toned headlines New York Times headline on September 12, 2001: 274 Skyscrapers Not Attacked
slg 3y ago
Why is everyone blaming the headline, newspaper, and media for connecting this surveillance issue to abortion? The EFF is the one who framed this issue in the context of abortion. The article's headline and reporting are a response to the EFF's actions.
- no_wizard 3y ago
  I think its fine for the EFF to frame it this way. Its that the headline has a very clickbait-ish feel, its a "head turner" type headline
yellowapple 3y ago
It needs to be a grabber in order to remind people of specific reasons why general policies like this might be bad. A lot of people operate under the "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" principle; the point of articles like this is to remind folks that yes, you might very well have something to hide, and you shouldn't trust the police to keep it hidden.

moate 3y ago

The irony being that sharing with more states is WORSE but because the (true) headline is tied to a specific hot button issue you find it bad?

InSteady 3y ago

In some people's view, this is not an issue to pussyfoot around over. The states trying to criminalize personal healthcare decisions certainly aren't. What a dystopian nightmare it would be to be a single mother barely above the poverty line and somehow get time off work and scrape together the cash for a trip several states away to get an abortion, only to wind up in prison for 10 years because mass data collection and dissemination is standard procedure for law enforcement and no one thought to protect the rights and privacy of pregnant women from out of state. It's actually sickening to think about. But yea let's talk more about how they should have written the headline to suit our sensibilities.

no_wizard 3y ago
I think its valid to think about both, I'm not slamming the SacBee for good content here, was simply speaking to their history of headline stuff. I was a subscriber when I lived there, I think they do great reporting. They're 100% right to raise this issue. I also think their headlines are overly tailored to "turn heads", so to speak.
willcipriano 3y ago
> trying to criminalize personal healthcare decisions Another one of those technically correct but not accurate statements and perhaps the root of the misunderstanding here. You could also frame it as "prevent the mass murder of children". A headline about this data in another state may say "local police collaborate with murderers" with the same level of accuracy.
- InSteady 3y ago
  >You could also frame it as "prevent the mass murder of children". You could if your notions of the world are informed by superstitions and ancient dogma rather than science. >A headline about this data in another state may say "local police collaborate with murderers" with the same level of accuracy. You've lost the plot.
- xenospn 3y ago
  You absolutely could not frame it as "prevent mass murder of children" since there is no murder and no children involved.

evan_ 3y ago

> more neutral toned headlines New York Times headline on September 12, 2001: 274 Skyscrapers Not Attacked

slg 3y ago

Why is everyone blaming the headline, newspaper, and media for connecting this surveillance issue to abortion? The EFF is the one who framed this issue in the context of abortion. The article's headline and reporting are a response to the EFF's actions.

no_wizard 3y ago
I think its fine for the EFF to frame it this way. Its that the headline has a very clickbait-ish feel, its a "head turner" type headline

yellowapple 3y ago

It needs to be a grabber in order to remind people of specific reasons why general policies like this might be bad. A lot of people operate under the "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" principle; the point of articles like this is to remind folks that yes, you might very well have something to hide, and you shouldn't trust the police to keep it hidden.