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Sure, but the Trinity isn’t multiple gods.

dragonwriter 3y ago
Well, yeah, that's what Christians claiming to be Abrahamic monotheists claim. Non-Christian Abrahamic monotheists often strenuously disagree. EDIT: to be clear, I am a Christian and believe the Trinity isn't multiple Gods (and neither is, say, the veneration of saints.) But I am also not gatekeeping clearly Abrahamic-in-descent faiths from the Abrahamic family tree on the basis of whether or not they posit the existence of entities that I consider incompatible with monotheism (both because “monotheism” is a separate descriptor from Abrahamic, and because evaluated monotheism is slippery.)
- andrewmcwatters 3y ago
  We disagree on what is “clearly Abrahamic[…].” There is still no Jewish faith to my knowledge that is polytheistic. If you have material to share that provides evidence otherwise, I’d be interested in reading it, but Judaism isn’t Yahwism. That’s not gatekeeping, that’s… reading. Mono- and polytheism isn’t slippery. You either believe in one god or multiple gods. There’s little to dissect there.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    Well, someone's already brought up the Latter-Day Saint movement, which has interesting features: - LDS claim to be Christian - LDS claim to believe in the Trinity - LDS have added to Sacred Scripture and claim that Divine Revelation is ongoing - LDS are, in fact, henotheistic, which is a little bit of slip between mono- and poly-. LDS believe that God the Father, and Jesus as well, were once mortal beings who achieved *theosis*, becoming gods, and ruling their own planets, which is the same that LDS men can aspire to: becoming gods and rulers of planets in their own right, in the celestial kingdom, with their wives by their side. - LDS use a lot of the same words but with significantly different meanings. It is for this reason that Christians have judged the LDS baptism "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit", as a non-Christian, non-Trinitarian ceremony without effect, because even when using the same words, LDS are *saying and believing something entirely different*. - Joseph Smith established an interesting syncretism among Second Temple Judaism (as he understood it), Restorationist Christianity in the USA, and Freemasonry. Mormonism is Abrahamic, insofar as all those influences are Abrahamic as well, but nobody can rightly call Mormonism "monotheistic", given their doctrine of mortal men becoming gods.

Well, yeah, that's what Christians claiming to be Abrahamic monotheists claim. Non-Christian Abrahamic monotheists often strenuously disagree. EDIT: to be clear, I am a Christian and believe the Trinity isn't multiple Gods (and neither is, say, the veneration of saints.) But I am also not gatekeeping clearly Abrahamic-in-descent faiths from the Abrahamic family tree on the basis of whether or not they posit the existence of entities that I consider incompatible with monotheism (both because “monotheism” is a separate descriptor from Abrahamic, and because evaluated monotheism is slippery.)

andrewmcwatters 3y ago
We disagree on what is “clearly Abrahamic[…].” There is still no Jewish faith to my knowledge that is polytheistic. If you have material to share that provides evidence otherwise, I’d be interested in reading it, but Judaism isn’t Yahwism. That’s not gatekeeping, that’s… reading. Mono- and polytheism isn’t slippery. You either believe in one god or multiple gods. There’s little to dissect there.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  Well, someone's already brought up the Latter-Day Saint movement, which has interesting features: - LDS claim to be Christian - LDS claim to believe in the Trinity - LDS have added to Sacred Scripture and claim that Divine Revelation is ongoing - LDS are, in fact, henotheistic, which is a little bit of slip between mono- and poly-. LDS believe that God the Father, and Jesus as well, were once mortal beings who achieved *theosis*, becoming gods, and ruling their own planets, which is the same that LDS men can aspire to: becoming gods and rulers of planets in their own right, in the celestial kingdom, with their wives by their side. - LDS use a lot of the same words but with significantly different meanings. It is for this reason that Christians have judged the LDS baptism "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit", as a non-Christian, non-Trinitarian ceremony without effect, because even when using the same words, LDS are *saying and believing something entirely different*. - Joseph Smith established an interesting syncretism among Second Temple Judaism (as he understood it), Restorationist Christianity in the USA, and Freemasonry. Mormonism is Abrahamic, insofar as all those influences are Abrahamic as well, but nobody can rightly call Mormonism "monotheistic", given their doctrine of mortal men becoming gods.