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I’m going to assume you’re talking about Mormonism, which isn’t a new religion unto itself. It’s a denomination. Your other examples, which are copy-pasted fro

I’m going to assume you’re talking about Mormonism, which isn’t a new religion unto itself. It’s a denomination. Your other examples, which are copy-pasted from other sites, are in fact, religions of syncretism. They are obviously not Abrahamic. If we created a new religion right here in this HN thread and combined Abrahamic precepts with some blend of western Buddhism and secular thought, does it make it an “Abhramic” religion? No it makes it a syncretic religion. It’s irrelevant what the size of an institution says. This is just an example of an argument from authority fallacy. You’re not making an actual point. It’s a poor reference to authority, too. If you wanted good cookware, would you go to Walmart or Williams Sonoma? Why of all places would The British Library be an institution for religious authority as compared to actual religious history schools?

jowea 3y ago
There are some Christians who don't recognize Mormonism or some other groups that call themselves Christian as Christians due to theological differences, mainly about the Trinity IIRC. As for Abrahamic faiths, the obvious criteria to decide if it is Abrahamic or not is to see if they claim to worship the God of Abraham, which a quick Wikipedia check indicates they all do. What criteria do you believe correct and includes Judaism and Christianity but not any other?
- andrewmcwatters 3y ago
  I’m telling you that there are subjects that you should prefer domain-specific reading to in contrast to obtaining all of your information from Wikipedia. Some of it is straight up wrong, or edited by people with particular editorial priorities. In the case of religious readings from Wikipedia, much of it written from the secular perspective is straight up wrong. You could simply ask an educated, practicing Jew about Judaism and be more informed. They’d obviously be a practitioner anyway. In the case of these so-called “Abrahamic” religions, the scriptures of said origin religions talk about false gods, yet some of the ones you claim believe in multiple gods. So which is it? Do you believe in the god of Abraham alone or not? This is just a casual example of scriptural violation. It’s trivial to point this out. You can’t be a serious scholar of faiths and consider such points of view without labeling them as syncretic religions.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    >In the case of these so-called “Abrahamic” religions, the scriptures of said origin religions talk about false gods, yet some of the ones you claim believe in multiple gods. So which is it? Do you believe in the god of Abraham alone or not? The jewish faith once had a pantheon of gods. You've "no true scottsman"ed your way into saying the jewish faith is not Abrahamic.
    - andrewmcwatters 3y ago
      Once had? Go tell that to an Orthodox Jew, or you know, go read what they actually believe. There is no Jewish faith, to my knowledge, that ever had multiple gods. You're referring to Yahwism, which is a name and concept given by secular scholars trying to understand the origins of Judaism, but no such religion in-and-of-itself ever existed. It would be like national historians grouping the histories of Canada, The United States of America, and Mexico into some sort of "Peoples of Northern America" nation, which does not exist.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > In the case of these so-called “Abrahamic” religions, the scriptures of said origin religions talk about false gods, yet some of the ones you claim believe in multiple gods. Note that this is a complaint Muslims, some Jews, and some others direct at the Trinity, so...
    - andrewmcwatters 3y ago
      Sure, but the Trinity isn’t multiple gods.
      - dragonwriter 3y ago
        Well, yeah, that's what Christians claiming to be Abrahamic monotheists claim. Non-Christian Abrahamic monotheists often strenuously disagree. EDIT: to be clear, I am a Christian and believe the Trinity isn't multiple Gods (and neither is, say, the veneration of saints.) But I am also not gatekeeping clearly Abrahamic-in-descent faiths from the Abrahamic family tree on the basis of whether or not they posit the existence of entities that I consider incompatible with monotheism (both because “monotheism” is a separate descriptor from Abrahamic, and because evaluated monotheism is slippery.)

jowea 3y ago

There are some Christians who don't recognize Mormonism or some other groups that call themselves Christian as Christians due to theological differences, mainly about the Trinity IIRC. As for Abrahamic faiths, the obvious criteria to decide if it is Abrahamic or not is to see if they claim to worship the God of Abraham, which a quick Wikipedia check indicates they all do. What criteria do you believe correct and includes Judaism and Christianity but not any other?

andrewmcwatters 3y ago
I’m telling you that there are subjects that you should prefer domain-specific reading to in contrast to obtaining all of your information from Wikipedia. Some of it is straight up wrong, or edited by people with particular editorial priorities. In the case of religious readings from Wikipedia, much of it written from the secular perspective is straight up wrong. You could simply ask an educated, practicing Jew about Judaism and be more informed. They’d obviously be a practitioner anyway. In the case of these so-called “Abrahamic” religions, the scriptures of said origin religions talk about false gods, yet some of the ones you claim believe in multiple gods. So which is it? Do you believe in the god of Abraham alone or not? This is just a casual example of scriptural violation. It’s trivial to point this out. You can’t be a serious scholar of faiths and consider such points of view without labeling them as syncretic religions.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  >In the case of these so-called “Abrahamic” religions, the scriptures of said origin religions talk about false gods, yet some of the ones you claim believe in multiple gods. So which is it? Do you believe in the god of Abraham alone or not? The jewish faith once had a pantheon of gods. You've "no true scottsman"ed your way into saying the jewish faith is not Abrahamic.
  - andrewmcwatters 3y ago
    Once had? Go tell that to an Orthodox Jew, or you know, go read what they actually believe. There is no Jewish faith, to my knowledge, that ever had multiple gods. You're referring to Yahwism, which is a name and concept given by secular scholars trying to understand the origins of Judaism, but no such religion in-and-of-itself ever existed. It would be like national historians grouping the histories of Canada, The United States of America, and Mexico into some sort of "Peoples of Northern America" nation, which does not exist.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > In the case of these so-called “Abrahamic” religions, the scriptures of said origin religions talk about false gods, yet some of the ones you claim believe in multiple gods. Note that this is a complaint Muslims, some Jews, and some others direct at the Trinity, so...
  - andrewmcwatters 3y ago
    Sure, but the Trinity isn’t multiple gods.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      Well, yeah, that's what Christians claiming to be Abrahamic monotheists claim. Non-Christian Abrahamic monotheists often strenuously disagree. EDIT: to be clear, I am a Christian and believe the Trinity isn't multiple Gods (and neither is, say, the veneration of saints.) But I am also not gatekeeping clearly Abrahamic-in-descent faiths from the Abrahamic family tree on the basis of whether or not they posit the existence of entities that I consider incompatible with monotheism (both because “monotheism” is a separate descriptor from Abrahamic, and because evaluated monotheism is slippery.)