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Here's an even more interesting physics brain teaser: Imagine you put a reverse osmosis membrane at the bottom of the ocean and connected it to a pipe filled wi

Here's an even more interesting physics brain teaser: Imagine you put a reverse osmosis membrane at the bottom of the ocean and connected it to a pipe filled with fresh water leading to the surface. The pressure at the bottom of the pipe would be less than the pressure at the bottom of the ocean, since fresh water weighs less than salt water. In this setup, would an endless supply of fresh water flow through the membrane and bubble out the top of the pipe? I'm guessing not, but I'm having a hard time understanding why.

Ajedi32 3y ago
Wild guess: maybe only the partial pressure[1] controls whether water will flow through the membrane, and the partial pressure of freshwater in this scenario is identical on both sides? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_pressure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_pressure
eru 3y ago
> I'm guessing not, but I'm having a hard time understanding why. Second law of thermodynamics.
- pvaldes 3y ago
  Laws of thermodynamics aren't really useful here. They are perfect for explaining universe, and notoriously bad for predicting local events when you zoom and focus at a fine grain level and add time. Life beings are apparently breaking or "delaying" this laws all the f*ng time. In any case nobody is trying to make a perpetual movement machine. The goal is to create a cheaper way to extract salt from saltwater, and use the pressure gradient at the sea to put apart brine and water could be a solution waiting for an engineer (in my opinion). It is assumed that will not be free in terms of energy. It doesn't matter as long as is slightly better than the current solution. Would be much faster than waiting for the sun so it does not need to be cheaper than that. It just needs to be able to replace the last energy-expensive phase of our current solution by another process that is cheaper or faster.

Ajedi32 3y ago

Wild guess: maybe only the partial pressure[1] controls whether water will flow through the membrane, and the partial pressure of freshwater in this scenario is identical on both sides? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_pressure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_pressure

eru 3y ago

> I'm guessing not, but I'm having a hard time understanding why. Second law of thermodynamics.

pvaldes 3y ago
Laws of thermodynamics aren't really useful here. They are perfect for explaining universe, and notoriously bad for predicting local events when you zoom and focus at a fine grain level and add time. Life beings are apparently breaking or "delaying" this laws all the f*ng time. In any case nobody is trying to make a perpetual movement machine. The goal is to create a cheaper way to extract salt from saltwater, and use the pressure gradient at the sea to put apart brine and water could be a solution waiting for an engineer (in my opinion). It is assumed that will not be free in terms of energy. It doesn't matter as long as is slightly better than the current solution. Would be much faster than waiting for the sun so it does not need to be cheaper than that. It just needs to be able to replace the last energy-expensive phase of our current solution by another process that is cheaper or faster.