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yes! Here's my reasoning: - conservation doesn't work in the developed world: there's simply too much sacrifice required, too quickly. - conservation doesn't

by asah 3y ago

yes! Here's my reasoning: - conservation doesn't work in the developed world: there's simply too much sacrifice required, too quickly. - conservation doesn't work in the developing world: no way will people agree to freeze development while watching rich people in the developed world. - decarbonization/etc are cute but even if we did EVERYTHING and ASAP, it still wouldn't be close to enough. I'll know we're serious about climate change when we invest $trillions into R&D and seriously consider large scale geoengineering, no idea too weird. We're getting there: consider this $52B proposal ($100+B with the usual overruns) to temporarily protect NYC/NJ from sealevel rise: https://www.google.com/search?q=nyc+sea+level+rise+protection+plan&tbm=nws https://www.google.com/search?q=nyc+sea+level+rise+protectio... - now multiply to Miami, Jakarta and dozens of other cities.

damnesian 3y ago
> conservation doesn't work in the developed world: there's simply too much sacrifice required, too quickly. I would add the corollary to this that those entities that profit from the products that are killing the environment are unlikely to be sufficiently de-incentivized by any large Capitalist or hybrid-Capitalist/Socialist society/economy. Simply stated, superpowers like the US lack the intestinal fortitude to force megacorps- our biggest offenders- to change their ways any quicker than the torpor of a hibernating bear.
- asah 3y ago
  yep - but even if they did have the intestinal fortitude, it still wouldn't be enough... so there's no need to get judgy when we can come together on this one, accept human nature and start looking for real solutions instead of "delay and pray" nonsense.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  Even if the US had the will and inclination, it would take massive wars of conquest to impose that will on the rest of the world. Such wars would probably do more damage to the planet than they could ever hope to prevent. Forget using superpowers to solve this.

by asah 3y ago

damnesian 3y ago

> conservation doesn't work in the developed world: there's simply too much sacrifice required, too quickly. I would add the corollary to this that those entities that profit from the products that are killing the environment are unlikely to be sufficiently de-incentivized by any large Capitalist or hybrid-Capitalist/Socialist society/economy. Simply stated, superpowers like the US lack the intestinal fortitude to force megacorps- our biggest offenders- to change their ways any quicker than the torpor of a hibernating bear.

asah 3y ago
yep - but even if they did have the intestinal fortitude, it still wouldn't be enough... so there's no need to get judgy when we can come together on this one, accept human nature and start looking for real solutions instead of "delay and pray" nonsense.
mcpackieh 3y ago
Even if the US had the will and inclination, it would take massive wars of conquest to impose that will on the rest of the world. Such wars would probably do more damage to the planet than they could ever hope to prevent. Forget using superpowers to solve this.