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Can someone post the content. Not sure if they are talking about my buddy who still makes 80k/yr in his 30s as an engineer because his company keeps dangling '
by hospitalJail 3y ago
Can someone post the content.
Not sure if they are talking about my buddy who still makes 80k/yr in his 30s as an engineer because his company keeps dangling 'you could go to Japan for a few weeks' for the last 7 years. Or they are talking about the current economic conditions.
- shagie 3y agoShare link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-have-quit-quitting-their-jobs-4feda9bb?st=f3ljb5hpfauvws1&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-have-quit-quitting-th... There's some JavaScript content in there that doesn't get archived the same (the image gets a snapshot but the interactivity is gone).
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- walleeee 3y agoNot to comment on your friend's situation, I just feel it's worth noting for passersby and posterity that there is nothing necessarily irrational about choosing less lucrative employment if it aligns better with one's value system. At the same time, don't let a company string you along
- JohnFen 3y ago> there is nothing necessarily irrational I think your statement isn't strong enough. Choosing lower compensation in exchange for work that aligns with your value system is an entirely rational thing to do.
- lurknot 3y agoStill, it's a hot take in general for the HN crowd
- lotsofpulp 3y agoIt might just be that most people’s value systems prioritize giving advantages to their children and/or securing one’s retirement above their values.
- marcelluspye 3y agoCitation needed.
- JohnFen 3y agoPeople who put maximizing income above their values aren't actually putting anything above their values. Maximizing income is one of their values. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. But, in my experience, that's not representative of most people.
- hotpotamus 3y agoIt's always impressive what one can justify for their children, isn't it?
- fnordpiglet 3y agoOr, they don’t know what they value yet and money is a way to measure value without understanding. It opens opportunities to discover your values and affords housing, education for children, retirement, and optionality later in life. Some folks, like myself, found what I value aligns with pretty good pay and I appreciate it while not particularly valuing it.
- JohnFen 3y agoI suspect (hope) that by the time a person is old enough to have a job, they have developed some sort of value system and are at least roughly aware of what that value system is.
- walleeee 3y agoI think it's all too common to absorb a value system from social context with little examination. Validation is more comfortable than doubt, peer pressure is real and habit/convention carry inertia. It took me 2 years in a job I knew I couldn't justify to finally work up the courage and conviction to leave. Moreover the cycle can take place multiple times in life as beliefs are updated and values refined.
- hospitalJail 3y agoHe is about to leave engineering and become a pilot... Yeah...
- marak830 3y agoAs someone who lives in Japan, yeah a company paid trip is cool, but it's really not that expensive to visit. If it's not actioned/planned how is that really a hook?
- inconceivable 3y ago[flagged]
- DiggyJohnson 3y agoDo you know the guy? You're not even the GP and this is a crazily hostile thing to just speculate about?
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- tayo42 3y agopeople are irrational about their jobs and compensation, like those people who decline raises because they think its puts them in a higher tax bracket and they'll lose more money.
- wenc 3y agoI was making a touch under 80k/yr as a (physical, non software) engineer in my 30s not so long ago. People around me were making 40-50k. Professors in town made 60k. It was in a LCOL city in the northeast and it was comfortable. It really depends on your lifestyle and location. Tech salaries are not the norm for most people.
- cvhashim04 3y agoYeah the OP seems kind of elitist?
- ye-olde-sysrq 3y ago80K is kind of rough for a 30-yr-old software engineer to be making in the US, especially after the recent inflation/prices bump, no matter where you live. I live in one of the lowest COL areas you could ask to live in if you still want easy access to a grocery store, and you couldn't house and feed multiple kids on 80k/yr.
- CrackerNews 3y agoI don't even make that much as an engineer in my 30's. Poor people can technically get by, but there are a lot of sacrifices involved. It's understandable that a lot of people aren't willing to make them.
- wenc 3y agoI think it’s expectations. Software engineers have a different relationship to salary than most people and it shapes expectations. People in physical engineering do make around that much and they support their families just fine. There are trade offs of course—instead of 4 kids you might have 2. Your spouse might have to work part time or full time. Instead of a big house with a backyard you might go for a smaller place or somewhere farther out in the country. Instead of distant vacations, you might road-trip. 80k really is quite workable if your expectations and budgeting is solid.
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- oneTbrain23 3y agoYour friend is basically useful idiot. Yes you can tell him what I said here. As long as there are NO contractual bindings, his chance can be more of zero than going. If Japan is his intention, quit his job and look for others. Maybe dropping by Taiwan, Singapore, or HK first. My friend of 2 decade landed Japan job (internal transfer) by joining a local Asian bank with a branch in Japan. And never once they dangled to him "you could/will be going to Japan".