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When Trump complained about “Obama judges” he was rightly ridiculed. Why is ok to cast aspersions on judges nominated by Trump?

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afavour 3y ago
Classic case of false equivalence: they both appointed judges therefore their actions must be equivalent, right? Did Obama ever nominate a judge that’s never tried a case in front of a court and failed to disclose his marriage to the White House counsel’s chief of staff? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Talley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Talley
- NotYourLawyer 3y ago
  I didn’t realize that was the judge who wrote this opinion! Oh wait, he’s not. So whatever ad homs you have about him are irrelevant here.
  - afavour 3y ago
    > I didn’t realize that was the judge who wrote this opinion! If that's the criteria why did you bring up "Obama judges" and "judges nominated by Trump"? They clearly didn't write the opinion either. You don't get to broaden the scope of discussion then scold someone for responding within that scope.
    - NotYourLawyer 3y ago
      I was responding to someone who said: > Him being a trump nominee makes me suspicious
plagiarist 3y ago
I think because Obama didn't extort a foreign country, commit an insurrection, or sell top secret information to US adversaries.
- NotYourLawyer 3y ago
  Trump should have been impeached and convicted for those things, which have nothing to do with the judges he appointed.
  - plagiarist 3y ago
    Yes, of course, the same dude extorting a foreign country, committing an insurrection, and selling classified information would never appoint judges on any basis other than their individual merits. Every corrupt individual keeps the corruption pretty compartmentalized away from whatever judicial appointments they are doing.
    - myko 3y ago
      Attitude aside, this is a very good point. Everything trump did should be reviewed at this point. It's sad that plenty of civil servants / folks who have made careers for themselves and worked to improve this country are likely to be viewed dimly because trump appointed them to positions of power. But the reality is everything he did should be viewed with suspicion.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Surely the guy who literally sold pardons for a few million a pop has broad respect for the role of Justice in society.
    - NotYourLawyer 3y ago
      [citation needed]
jauntywundrkind 3y ago
As usual, I think the term that applies here is projection. A vast amount of politicians and Trump in particular have taken to heart a particular realpolitick tactic for dealing with the loyal opposition, of never wasting a chance to accuse the other side of exactly what you're doing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror And further, Trump's actions were fairly wild & chaotic & needed restraint.
LatteLazy 3y ago
I am a limey brit, and was no great fan of Obama but... I don't think his judges ever overthrew precedent the way Trump judges have. Ironically the main place they have done this is Abortion, which Trump didn't seem to give a damn about, so really they should be called Republican or Christian Right judges rather than Trump judges maybe? Who knows...
- hellojesus 3y ago
  Overthrowing precedent is necessary when the precedent is wrong.
- plagiarist 3y ago
  You're perhaps more correct than you know. Donald basically received lists to appoint right-wing judges from: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/360598-meet-the-powerful-group-behind-trumps-judicial-nominations/ https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/360598-meet-the...

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afavour 3y ago

Classic case of false equivalence: they both appointed judges therefore their actions must be equivalent, right? Did Obama ever nominate a judge that’s never tried a case in front of a court and failed to disclose his marriage to the White House counsel’s chief of staff? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Talley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Talley

NotYourLawyer 3y ago
I didn’t realize that was the judge who wrote this opinion! Oh wait, he’s not. So whatever ad homs you have about him are irrelevant here.
- afavour 3y ago
  > I didn’t realize that was the judge who wrote this opinion! If that's the criteria why did you bring up "Obama judges" and "judges nominated by Trump"? They clearly didn't write the opinion either. You don't get to broaden the scope of discussion then scold someone for responding within that scope.
  - NotYourLawyer 3y ago
    I was responding to someone who said: > Him being a trump nominee makes me suspicious

plagiarist 3y ago

I think because Obama didn't extort a foreign country, commit an insurrection, or sell top secret information to US adversaries.

NotYourLawyer 3y ago
Trump should have been impeached and convicted for those things, which have nothing to do with the judges he appointed.
- plagiarist 3y ago
  Yes, of course, the same dude extorting a foreign country, committing an insurrection, and selling classified information would never appoint judges on any basis other than their individual merits. Every corrupt individual keeps the corruption pretty compartmentalized away from whatever judicial appointments they are doing.
  - myko 3y ago
    Attitude aside, this is a very good point. Everything trump did should be reviewed at this point. It's sad that plenty of civil servants / folks who have made careers for themselves and worked to improve this country are likely to be viewed dimly because trump appointed them to positions of power. But the reality is everything he did should be viewed with suspicion.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Surely the guy who literally sold pardons for a few million a pop has broad respect for the role of Justice in society.
  - NotYourLawyer 3y ago
    [citation needed]

jauntywundrkind 3y ago

As usual, I think the term that applies here is projection. A vast amount of politicians and Trump in particular have taken to heart a particular realpolitick tactic for dealing with the loyal opposition, of never wasting a chance to accuse the other side of exactly what you're doing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror And further, Trump's actions were fairly wild & chaotic & needed restraint.

LatteLazy 3y ago

I am a limey brit, and was no great fan of Obama but... I don't think his judges ever overthrew precedent the way Trump judges have. Ironically the main place they have done this is Abortion, which Trump didn't seem to give a damn about, so really they should be called Republican or Christian Right judges rather than Trump judges maybe? Who knows...

hellojesus 3y ago
Overthrowing precedent is necessary when the precedent is wrong.
plagiarist 3y ago
You're perhaps more correct than you know. Donald basically received lists to appoint right-wing judges from: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/360598-meet-the-powerful-group-behind-trumps-judicial-nominations/ https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/360598-meet-the...