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The absence of real applications incorporating this stuff is damning. Where are the killer apps?

riku_iki 3y ago
to me potential killer app is the search, you already now can find better answers fast in many verticals asking chatgpt than going through the tons of seo spam at google.
- spaceman_2020 3y ago
  Health and medical queries are a big one for me. The top results in Google are the same cookie cutter responses from the same 5-10 domains. There is no expertise there - just an article ghost written by a freelance writer with a random doctor’s name attached to it. With the right prompt, chatGPT gives me far better insight and can even point out academic papers to back its claims.
  - jmye 3y ago
    There are no health issues that anyone should ever be using Chat GPT for - the hallucinations are very real, and often severe. Not that you should be googling your symptoms either - there’s a reason we put medical folks through more than a few minutes of training. LLMs are absolutely worthless for medical information.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      I wouldn't trust them with my life, but out of curiosity I did put some of my own medical notes into 3.5 a few weeks back. It said basically the same thing as the actual doctor.
    - spaceman_2020 3y ago
      I’ve gone to multiple doctors for my problems and most of them have only made it worse. Most doctors I’ve met get dumbfounded when the problem is anything more complex than a straightforward case. And I say this as someone married into a family of doctors.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      > LLMs are absolutely worthless for medical information. chatgpt gives you initial hint/direction, and then you can research specifics by finding actual information in search engine and see if it is hallucinated or not.
  - mcphage 3y ago
    > can even point out academic papers to back its claims Please, please tell me you at least read these academic papers to make sure they claim what ChatGPT said they're claiming?
Dalewyn 3y ago
Where are they? Anything involving creativity. There is a reason most creative professionals are screaming to the nine high heavens of hell for dear mercy, because they are in the best position to see the writing on the wall. The current deconstruction of intellectual property rights is damning and must be rectified, but even putting that aside "AI" is still going to eliminate the vast majority of creative occupations because a supercomputer is still cheaper than a human on the payroll or invoice.
janalsncm 3y ago
ChatGPT is the killer app. It’s a Google killer. It is better than the SEO listicle garbage filling the internet. Even if it’s not always accurate it’s still better in a lot of circumstances. There’s a reason Sundar rushed Bard out of the gate even though it is clearly inferior.
- distortedsignal 3y ago
  I’ll push back on this, at least in its current iteration. I just asked it to list some restaurants near my apartment (major intersection in San Jose) and it wasn’t particularly close. While there are several restaurants less than half a mile from the intersection, ChatGPT listed restaurants from several miles away. Given the “weights in a matrix” architecture of ChatGPT, I’m not sure it’s possible to store enough data to make the query practical to answer. Say there are a couple hundred intersections in my city. You have to store the token of “restaurant name” “close to” “intersection” for each intersection. I don’t know the size of Google’s Maps DB, but I would guess it’s several Gigabytes per city. From my understanding of the theory, you would need to store BOTH the LLM weights AND the Maps data for ChatGPT to have a shot at generating good answers for that type of query. I’m happy to be wrong here. If I’m misunderstanding something, please let me know.
  - literalAardvark 3y ago
    You're not wrong at all, it doesn't know everything. But it does know a lot of things and can be super useful. Personally i think search engine is a terrible use case, unless you use the Bing enabled version, or bing chat. I've used it to write pretty complicated scripts where I had no idea what I was doing, rebuild crusty httpd configs from first principles, explain disassembled code, explain regular code, explain configs, read dmidecode and lspci for me and make a pcie slot report... It's bloody brilliant. Other: read and translated my blood tests. Accurately!
  - Nerada 3y ago
    Tangentially related, I had GPT-4 plan the sightseeing on my latest holiday. It both picked out the interesting places of note, and then I asked it to plan them in such a way that made sense walking-wise (so I wasn't backtracking) and it did so without a hiccup.
potatoman22 3y ago
They'll come as more engineers understand how to integrate LLM tech more effectively into products. Also, killer app: ChatGPT. Fastest growing website ever IIRC.
getmeinrn 3y ago
I think we're just scratching the surface of apps. As we figure out how to integrate this technology in novel ways (not just "here's my app + AI!!!!"), it will open new doors. Shameless self-promotion, I'm trying to build some of those intermediary pieces. I have authored an open source library[1] that lets businesses externalize LLMs to their users, so that users can use natural language to query their data in your database. The goal is to try to simplify UIs to have more natural language components, without needing to send your data to an LLM. 1. https://github.com/amoffat/HeimdaLLM https://github.com/amoffat/HeimdaLLM
flangola7 3y ago
> Where are the killer apps? Even though it is just a bare kernel (LLM), GPT-4 is a better teacher than any I've ever had. Who can I ask at 3AM on a Saturday night to explain ancient Greek philosophy using dwarf fortress mechanics? And iterate with infinite patience and focus on any follow up questions?
- klipklop 3y ago
  This is one of the most compelling use cases. It’s dramatically reduced research time on certain topics for me. If I have a “question” I don’t go to google first anymore.
- bombcar 3y ago
  You must reveal the results. Armok demands it.
threeseed 3y ago
Adobe Photoshop, Canva, Final Cut Pro, Notion, Microsoft Office etc. AI is popping up all over the place if you actually pay attention to the products.
- rajnathani 3y ago
  Adobe’s Firefly AI and other Adobe AI is the result of billions of dollars of investment over multiple years. Lousy source (sorry): See the number of Adobe authored 2 minute papers (YouTube channel) about AI based graphics over the years. The rest of the examples shared are mostly just direct integrations with the GPT-4 API, which should be trivial for almost any startup to do. I.e. it’s very likely not going to be game-changing for a CRUD company like OP’s case.
spaceman_2020 3y ago
Chat GPT is already a killer app for me at least. I’ve used it to code, learn, generate tweet threads, create upwork job posts, summarize large amounts of text. With the right prompt, its a far better search engine than Google, especially for coding and health related queries. If you can be a Google killer, you don’t need any other killer apps.

to me potential killer app is the search, you already now can find better answers fast in many verticals asking chatgpt than going through the tons of seo spam at google.

spaceman_2020 3y ago
Health and medical queries are a big one for me. The top results in Google are the same cookie cutter responses from the same 5-10 domains. There is no expertise there - just an article ghost written by a freelance writer with a random doctor’s name attached to it. With the right prompt, chatGPT gives me far better insight and can even point out academic papers to back its claims.
- jmye 3y ago
  There are no health issues that anyone should ever be using Chat GPT for - the hallucinations are very real, and often severe. Not that you should be googling your symptoms either - there’s a reason we put medical folks through more than a few minutes of training. LLMs are absolutely worthless for medical information.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    I wouldn't trust them with my life, but out of curiosity I did put some of my own medical notes into 3.5 a few weeks back. It said basically the same thing as the actual doctor.
  - spaceman_2020 3y ago
    I’ve gone to multiple doctors for my problems and most of them have only made it worse. Most doctors I’ve met get dumbfounded when the problem is anything more complex than a straightforward case. And I say this as someone married into a family of doctors.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    > LLMs are absolutely worthless for medical information. chatgpt gives you initial hint/direction, and then you can research specifics by finding actual information in search engine and see if it is hallucinated or not.
- mcphage 3y ago
  > can even point out academic papers to back its claims Please, please tell me you at least read these academic papers to make sure they claim what ChatGPT said they're claiming?

Dalewyn 3y ago

Where are they? Anything involving creativity. There is a reason most creative professionals are screaming to the nine high heavens of hell for dear mercy, because they are in the best position to see the writing on the wall. The current deconstruction of intellectual property rights is damning and must be rectified, but even putting that aside "AI" is still going to eliminate the vast majority of creative occupations because a supercomputer is still cheaper than a human on the payroll or invoice.

janalsncm 3y ago

ChatGPT is the killer app. It’s a Google killer. It is better than the SEO listicle garbage filling the internet. Even if it’s not always accurate it’s still better in a lot of circumstances. There’s a reason Sundar rushed Bard out of the gate even though it is clearly inferior.

distortedsignal 3y ago
I’ll push back on this, at least in its current iteration. I just asked it to list some restaurants near my apartment (major intersection in San Jose) and it wasn’t particularly close. While there are several restaurants less than half a mile from the intersection, ChatGPT listed restaurants from several miles away. Given the “weights in a matrix” architecture of ChatGPT, I’m not sure it’s possible to store enough data to make the query practical to answer. Say there are a couple hundred intersections in my city. You have to store the token of “restaurant name” “close to” “intersection” for each intersection. I don’t know the size of Google’s Maps DB, but I would guess it’s several Gigabytes per city. From my understanding of the theory, you would need to store BOTH the LLM weights AND the Maps data for ChatGPT to have a shot at generating good answers for that type of query. I’m happy to be wrong here. If I’m misunderstanding something, please let me know.
- literalAardvark 3y ago
  You're not wrong at all, it doesn't know everything. But it does know a lot of things and can be super useful. Personally i think search engine is a terrible use case, unless you use the Bing enabled version, or bing chat. I've used it to write pretty complicated scripts where I had no idea what I was doing, rebuild crusty httpd configs from first principles, explain disassembled code, explain regular code, explain configs, read dmidecode and lspci for me and make a pcie slot report... It's bloody brilliant. Other: read and translated my blood tests. Accurately!
- Nerada 3y ago
  Tangentially related, I had GPT-4 plan the sightseeing on my latest holiday. It both picked out the interesting places of note, and then I asked it to plan them in such a way that made sense walking-wise (so I wasn't backtracking) and it did so without a hiccup.

potatoman22 3y ago

They'll come as more engineers understand how to integrate LLM tech more effectively into products. Also, killer app: ChatGPT. Fastest growing website ever IIRC.

getmeinrn 3y ago

I think we're just scratching the surface of apps. As we figure out how to integrate this technology in novel ways (not just "here's my app + AI!!!!"), it will open new doors. Shameless self-promotion, I'm trying to build some of those intermediary pieces. I have authored an open source library[1] that lets businesses externalize LLMs to their users, so that users can use natural language to query their data in your database. The goal is to try to simplify UIs to have more natural language components, without needing to send your data to an LLM. 1. https://github.com/amoffat/HeimdaLLM https://github.com/amoffat/HeimdaLLM

flangola7 3y ago

> Where are the killer apps? Even though it is just a bare kernel (LLM), GPT-4 is a better teacher than any I've ever had. Who can I ask at 3AM on a Saturday night to explain ancient Greek philosophy using dwarf fortress mechanics? And iterate with infinite patience and focus on any follow up questions?

klipklop 3y ago
This is one of the most compelling use cases. It’s dramatically reduced research time on certain topics for me. If I have a “question” I don’t go to google first anymore.
bombcar 3y ago
You must reveal the results. Armok demands it.

threeseed 3y ago

Adobe Photoshop, Canva, Final Cut Pro, Notion, Microsoft Office etc. AI is popping up all over the place if you actually pay attention to the products.

rajnathani 3y ago
Adobe’s Firefly AI and other Adobe AI is the result of billions of dollars of investment over multiple years. Lousy source (sorry): See the number of Adobe authored 2 minute papers (YouTube channel) about AI based graphics over the years. The rest of the examples shared are mostly just direct integrations with the GPT-4 API, which should be trivial for almost any startup to do. I.e. it’s very likely not going to be game-changing for a CRUD company like OP’s case.

spaceman_2020 3y ago

Chat GPT is already a killer app for me at least. I’ve used it to code, learn, generate tweet threads, create upwork job posts, summarize large amounts of text. With the right prompt, its a far better search engine than Google, especially for coding and health related queries. If you can be a Google killer, you don’t need any other killer apps.