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Yeah, Zeal & Ardor [0] is one they feel very strongly [1] about. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeal_%26_Ardor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeal_%26_Ardor

Yeah, Zeal & Ardor [0] is one they feel very strongly [1] about. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeal_%26_Ardor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeal_%26_Ardor [1]: https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=129411 https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=129411

iakov 3y ago
Totally crazy. Zeal&Ardor is metal, the mental aerobics of the mods are very impressive. I guess like all mods - with few exceptions - they are on a power trip.
- Semaphor 3y ago
  I recently discovered them at angrymetalguy.com [0] (metal review blog), I agree ;) I wonder if there are drone doom bands they also disallow. [0]: https://www.angrymetalguy.com/zeal-ardor-zeal-ardor-things-you-might-have-missed-2022/ https://www.angrymetalguy.com/zeal-ardor-zeal-ardor-things-y...
camel-cdr 3y ago
Meanwhile these bands clearly are metal: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ice_Ages/5014 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ice_Ages/5014 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Elend/1017 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Elend/1017
- Semaphor 3y ago
  Added 2002 makes me think they were grandfathered in because they were added in the beginning.
  - V1ndaar 3y ago
    It probably also helps that Ice Ages is a project from one of the Summoning members.
z3c0 3y ago
Also Kvelertak, whose first album is 100% metal and even features guest vocals from prominent Norwegian black metal musicians. I've spent a lot of time on MA, but boy, they can be so childishly opinionated.
- cthalupa 3y ago
  Their first album also includes guest vocals from hardcore punk musicians. The general EM argument is that they are adding black metal elements to music that is fundamentally hard rock and/or punk. It ends up being arbitrary, but I think the underlying desire makes sense - at some point, things go from being metal to being something else with metal elements. They aren't an encyclopaedia for music with metal elements, they're an encyclopaedia for metal music.
stinos 3y ago
This is so fascinating to read. I was only recently introduced to them by this song [0] and I was like 'hmm, yeah, maybe not really my thing'. Until the 9 second mark where I was proven completely wrong because that stuff is a prime example of this overwhelming 'it felt like satan came to me'-style which I really like and makes me smile like a posessed maniac, claws raised towards the dark heavens. Moreover it is also so well-executed, riffs/drums/lyrics all fit, and it's done quite a lot better than a myriad of other bands which try to do this but simply pale in comparison to Z&A. So, to then read comments where people are debating whether there's enough metal elements to be included is some list, just makes one realize that the common trap of black&white for many aspects in life just isn't worth it. [0] https://zealandardor.bandcamp.com/track/feed-the-machine https://zealandardor.bandcamp.com/track/feed-the-machine
- Semaphor 3y ago
  I want to say Feed the Machine is one of the best tracks from that album, but man, that whole album is just amazing.
cthalupa 3y ago
I think there were some arguments to be made based on Z&A's first two albums, but the third is unquestionably a mostly-metal album. The dismissal with no details beyond "this ain't it chief" is particularly maddening.

iakov 3y ago

Totally crazy. Zeal&Ardor is metal, the mental aerobics of the mods are very impressive. I guess like all mods - with few exceptions - they are on a power trip.

Semaphor 3y ago
I recently discovered them at angrymetalguy.com [0] (metal review blog), I agree ;) I wonder if there are drone doom bands they also disallow. [0]: https://www.angrymetalguy.com/zeal-ardor-zeal-ardor-things-you-might-have-missed-2022/ https://www.angrymetalguy.com/zeal-ardor-zeal-ardor-things-y...

camel-cdr 3y ago

Meanwhile these bands clearly are metal: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ice_Ages/5014 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ice_Ages/5014 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Elend/1017 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Elend/1017

Semaphor 3y ago
Added 2002 makes me think they were grandfathered in because they were added in the beginning.
- V1ndaar 3y ago
  It probably also helps that Ice Ages is a project from one of the Summoning members.

z3c0 3y ago

Also Kvelertak, whose first album is 100% metal and even features guest vocals from prominent Norwegian black metal musicians. I've spent a lot of time on MA, but boy, they can be so childishly opinionated.

cthalupa 3y ago
Their first album also includes guest vocals from hardcore punk musicians. The general EM argument is that they are adding black metal elements to music that is fundamentally hard rock and/or punk. It ends up being arbitrary, but I think the underlying desire makes sense - at some point, things go from being metal to being something else with metal elements. They aren't an encyclopaedia for music with metal elements, they're an encyclopaedia for metal music.

stinos 3y ago

This is so fascinating to read. I was only recently introduced to them by this song [0] and I was like 'hmm, yeah, maybe not really my thing'. Until the 9 second mark where I was proven completely wrong because that stuff is a prime example of this overwhelming 'it felt like satan came to me'-style which I really like and makes me smile like a posessed maniac, claws raised towards the dark heavens. Moreover it is also so well-executed, riffs/drums/lyrics all fit, and it's done quite a lot better than a myriad of other bands which try to do this but simply pale in comparison to Z&A. So, to then read comments where people are debating whether there's enough metal elements to be included is some list, just makes one realize that the common trap of black&white for many aspects in life just isn't worth it. [0] https://zealandardor.bandcamp.com/track/feed-the-machine https://zealandardor.bandcamp.com/track/feed-the-machine

Semaphor 3y ago
I want to say Feed the Machine is one of the best tracks from that album, but man, that whole album is just amazing.

cthalupa 3y ago

I think there were some arguments to be made based on Z&A's first two albums, but the third is unquestionably a mostly-metal album. The dismissal with no details beyond "this ain't it chief" is particularly maddening.