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The hawks on all sides never stop escalating. Doves and diplomacy have been successfully sidelined. Gone are the times when Kennedy and Khrustchev acted like ad

• _kbh_ 3y ago
  > And the nuclear clock moves ever closer to midnight… It started moving before this article, in fact Poland wanting nukes is a direct response to a nuclear escalation by Russia. That is Russia placing Russian nuclear weapons on Polands border in Belarus, so now Russia has multiple nuclear weapons likely pointing at areas in Europe or Poland on two of its borders.
  • EGreg 3y ago
    It started moving years ago. Everyone on every side escalates, citing the other side.
    • _kbh_ 3y ago
      > It started moving years ago. Everyone on every side escalates, citing the other side. Only one side decided to give a country that was part of the NPP until it removed itself from it nuclear weapons in an attempt to try and escalate the war in Ukraine and threaten western Europe with nuclear weapons.
      • EGreg 3y ago
        “Only one side did X” (nevermind that X is incoherent or doesnt make grammatical sense) “And therefore what? You have done 10X just recently” “but that’s whataboutism, and the topic was the other guys, not us” “But don’t you see that each side thinks the other can’t be trusted and the victory must be total or else they’ll come back later?” “If we have nuclear WW3, just remember, it was all Russia’s fault. They had an unprovoked and unjustified invasion. That’s what matters. And there will be no deescalation until they are 100% defeated.” Ok, and do you have a plan B?
        • _kbh_ 3y ago
          > “If we have nuclear WW3, just remember, it was all Russia’s fault. They had an unprovoked and unjustified invasion. That’s what matters. And there will be no deescalation until they are 100% defeated.” The west has been delaying weapons for months over fears of escalation. The west is the only one who has tried to avoid escalation, what has Russia done to try and avoid escalation?. > Ok, and do you have a plan B? Your plan B is to just sacrifice Ukraine to the altar of Russia. You continually claim to be "evenhanded" yet spout nearly entirely Russian talking points. We must stop Russia unless we want to see more nuclear terrorism in the future. If we don't stop Russia now despite its threats of nuclear war, the world will under a rapid increase of countries with active nuclear weapons programs and weapons themselves. Ostensively to protect themselves from countries like Russia who would have successfully used the threat of nuclear weapons to force the world to not help Ukraine defend itself.
          • EGreg 3y ago
            > The west is the only one who has tried to avoid escalation, Hahaha. Expanding NATO multiple times. Buzzing Russian airspace. Regime-changing its neighbors. Releasing hordes of sunni Jihadists to topple its “last remaining ally in the region”, forcing Russia to commit its troops to “barely hold it together by a thread”. > what has Russia done to try and avoid escalation?. Oh far more than the US. Constantly appeal on the United Nations security council (just as they futitely tried to prevent the invasion of Iraq), and comtinually for years stress and warn that Ukraine in NATO is an unacceptable red line in public speeches that US media refuses to broadcast (unless they can take a tiny clip out of context). Propose agreements. Engage in diplomacy involving multiple nations. Send cheap resources to Ukraine. Ask them nicely to, like, restore drinking water (a human right) to Crimea. What did the US do to, say, avert the war in Yemen or Ukraine? They seemed to do everything to prevent deescalation. What was USA doing getting involved in regime change halfway around the world anyway? Oh that’s always off-topic. Suppose Russia wanted to do everything you and US propaganda claims to Ukraine (up to and including apparently, genociding all Ukrainians, restoring the Soviet Union or whatever is asserted and critically accepted, just like “weapons of mass destruction” and “they hate us for our freedoms”) Then why did they not invade in 2015? Why wait 8 years? The only answer I got here is “well Russians are strange”. You have it exactly backwards. If we didn’t expand NATO and train Ukrainian paramilitaries to kill Russians, then the worst that would happen is Ukraine would implement the Minsk II agreements, and its fate would have been even better than Georgia after 2008. As for nuclear proliferation, Trump and GOP killed the Iran deal, Bush and GOP killed the Agreed Framework, both North Korea and Iran would have not gotten nukes IF THE US WOULD SIMPLY COMMIT TO DIPLOMACY AND KEEPING ITS AGREEMENTS. Also, if Russia did nothing, rather than arming rebels, they would probably have been far better off. I criticize both Russia and USA both as imperialists. You criticize Russia BUT NOT USA. That’s the difference.