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How would you bootstrap the feed?

LeoPanthera 3y ago
Let me CHOOSE if I want to see "suggested" or "promoted" content. Have "followers only" and "monetized influencer crap" tabs. At least make it an option.
- personjerry 3y ago
  There's plenty of platforms that start like that. You never saw them because they died.
  - chrisco255 3y ago
    Ok, I'll shoot: AOL Instant Messenger. Runaway success, 20ish year run. MySpace also started like that and so did Facebook itself. You had to add friends and visit their pages manually to see what they were up to, feeds came later.
    - weeblewobble 3y ago
      AIM was 1:1 not broadcast, apples and oranges Facebook was bootstrapped off existing IRL social networks (i.e. Harvard undergrads)
      - chrisco255 3y ago
        It had group chats too, but still, the chat rooms themselves in AOL were ephemeral. No one knew who you were on AOL unless you let it be known, and you could make up a persona if you wanted. As for word-of-mouth spread at Harvard about Facebook, well that's not different than anything else. Word of mouth is always a part of marketing for any product. You still needed to manually look up your friends or your friend's friends and even to see what was up you'd have to visit their profile (until the feed came out later). Facebook didn't start off by showing you thousands of people you didn't care about, it did the opposite, it wanted you to connect with people you knew IRL.
- nkozyra 3y ago
  You can't cold start like that. There has to be something when you open the app or it's DOA.
  - cryptoz 3y ago
    I remember getting access to Google+ first in my group of friends. I was up late and got in at like 1am. Nobody else was there. It was an absolute ghost town. No content anywhere. I thought, "wow I should treasure this moment. Soon and for the rest of time G+ will be filled with content!"
  - chrisco255 3y ago
    Of course you can start like that. Look all they need to do is pay MySpace Tom to come out of retirement and be everyone's first friend on Instagram threads. Some will say, "well, why not Zuck?" Well, androids still have that uncanny valley effect and they're not quite as relatable.
- debacle 3y ago
  Then they can't leverage "engagement" to sell ads. Which is the point.
- antod 3y ago
  I would love it if some service did have an explicit option for the visibility of "monetized influencer crap". I'd be tempted to use them purely to reward their honesty.
  - pndy 3y ago
    Would be fun innit but in short time there would be hundreds complaining posts and deconstruction videos taking on why "monetized influencer crap" is problematic.
- Gigachad 3y ago
  No one wants to do that right away. They want to start with some random popular content and then have it refine down with time.
- rchaud 3y ago
  The defaults are there to tell you who this app is primarily designed to serve - somebody other than the person using it.
chillaxtian 3y ago
Don't
Terr_ 3y ago
Perhaps parent-poster would be satisfied if the signup process contained a choice like: * Yes, please create a starter feed for me of popular content. * No, I want to start with a blank feed so that I can gradually add things on my own. That way there's both an explanation of why all those strangers are listed, and a mechanism to curate more carefully.
- LeoPanthera 3y ago
  That would be totally fine!

Let me CHOOSE if I want to see "suggested" or "promoted" content. Have "followers only" and "monetized influencer crap" tabs. At least make it an option.

personjerry 3y ago
There's plenty of platforms that start like that. You never saw them because they died.
- chrisco255 3y ago
  Ok, I'll shoot: AOL Instant Messenger. Runaway success, 20ish year run. MySpace also started like that and so did Facebook itself. You had to add friends and visit their pages manually to see what they were up to, feeds came later.
  - weeblewobble 3y ago
    AIM was 1:1 not broadcast, apples and oranges Facebook was bootstrapped off existing IRL social networks (i.e. Harvard undergrads)
    - chrisco255 3y ago
      It had group chats too, but still, the chat rooms themselves in AOL were ephemeral. No one knew who you were on AOL unless you let it be known, and you could make up a persona if you wanted. As for word-of-mouth spread at Harvard about Facebook, well that's not different than anything else. Word of mouth is always a part of marketing for any product. You still needed to manually look up your friends or your friend's friends and even to see what was up you'd have to visit their profile (until the feed came out later). Facebook didn't start off by showing you thousands of people you didn't care about, it did the opposite, it wanted you to connect with people you knew IRL.
nkozyra 3y ago
You can't cold start like that. There has to be something when you open the app or it's DOA.
- cryptoz 3y ago
  I remember getting access to Google+ first in my group of friends. I was up late and got in at like 1am. Nobody else was there. It was an absolute ghost town. No content anywhere. I thought, "wow I should treasure this moment. Soon and for the rest of time G+ will be filled with content!"
- chrisco255 3y ago
  Of course you can start like that. Look all they need to do is pay MySpace Tom to come out of retirement and be everyone's first friend on Instagram threads. Some will say, "well, why not Zuck?" Well, androids still have that uncanny valley effect and they're not quite as relatable.
debacle 3y ago
Then they can't leverage "engagement" to sell ads. Which is the point.
antod 3y ago
I would love it if some service did have an explicit option for the visibility of "monetized influencer crap". I'd be tempted to use them purely to reward their honesty.
- pndy 3y ago
  Would be fun innit but in short time there would be hundreds complaining posts and deconstruction videos taking on why "monetized influencer crap" is problematic.
Gigachad 3y ago
No one wants to do that right away. They want to start with some random popular content and then have it refine down with time.
rchaud 3y ago
The defaults are there to tell you who this app is primarily designed to serve - somebody other than the person using it.

chillaxtian 3y ago

Don't

Terr_ 3y ago

Perhaps parent-poster would be satisfied if the signup process contained a choice like: * Yes, please create a starter feed for me of popular content. * No, I want to start with a blank feed so that I can gradually add things on my own. That way there's both an explanation of why all those strangers are listed, and a mechanism to curate more carefully.

LeoPanthera 3y ago
That would be totally fine!