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Bill Ackman explains why he embraced RFK Jr.’s skepticism on Covid vaccines

12 points by johntfella 3y ago

al2o3cr 3y ago
I'll save you a click and spoil the answer: he's a dumbass who thinks he's smarter than the FDA because he's rich.
- cempaka 3y ago
  The same FDA that's had nothing to say about glyphosate, aspartame, or Vioxx in its day? The one that routinely allows manufacturers to run rigged trials including specifically the Covid vaccines? That FDA?
JohnnyHerz 3y ago
Another article from a media source that doesn't let the facts get in the way of collecting their share of advertising revenue from drug companies. There is an old adage that is often repeated because it is so often true... "Follow the money". Simply put, many of the most outspoken members of the "Scientific Community" that "debunk" claims about vaccine safety are documented to be collecting paychecks from big pharma. If we stop and listen to the skeptics view with an open mind - we might conclude that it's not such an open and shut case after all. Why would anyone choose to blindly follow without question? Are we going to echo the words we hear from biased news sources with no attempt at engaging our own critical thought process?
- clouddrover 3y ago
  > If we stop and listen to the skeptics view with an open mind Robert Kennedy Jr. thinks covid is a bioweapon that avoids Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese and targets Caucasians and Blacks: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/07/16/rfk-jr-makes-unfounded-claims-about-covid-19-caucasians-black-people-jews-chinese/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/07/16/rfk-jr-make... It isn't skepticism, it's just stupid. If you think covid is a bioweapon then you really want vaccination to defend yourself against it. So being anti-vaccination is double stupid.
  - lowkey 3y ago
    No he doesn’t. You can see his response to this here - seems pretty reasonable to me. [0] >I have never, ever suggested that the COVID-19 virus was targeted to spare Jews. I accurately pointed out — during an off-the-record conversation — that the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons and that a 2021 study of the COVID-19 virus shows that COVID-19 appears to disproportionately affect certain races since the furin cleave docking site is most compatible with Blacks and Caucasians and least compatible with ethnic Chinese, Finns, and Ashkenazi Jews. He was intentionally mis-quoted to smear his character. It wasn’t the first time either and it won’t be the last. Funny thing is, these cheap shots only serve to discredit those who espouse them and lead more people to listen to the man in his own words instead of through the approved narrative filter of the mainstream media. [0] https://twitter.com/robertkennedyjr/status/1680227322509635595?s=46&t=Ykx7XWebsE1u53eLf-Xtfw https://twitter.com/robertkennedyjr/status/16802273225096355...
    - lowkey 3y ago
      Pfizer wanted a license to sell their COVID vaccine in India. The Indian government asked them for local clinical trials first. This should have been an easy win, prove the vaccine is safe and effective in a controlled trial and you can sell it into a market of 1.38 billion people. Pfizer declined. Why do you think that is? Let me give you a hint. Here is the CEO of Pfizer admitting that he never took his own COVID vaccine. Isn’t that odd? [0] [0] https://twitter.com/wolsned/status/1678719867975761920?s=46&t=Ykx7XWebsE1u53eLf-Xtfw https://twitter.com/wolsned/status/1678719867975761920?s=46&...
    - clouddrover 3y ago
      Read the article, watch the video. His claims have been discredited many times over. And he has form on this. He encouraged Samoans to stop taking the measles vaccine in 2019: https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/12/measles-outbreak-spurred-by-anti-vaxxers-shuts-down-samoan-government/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/12/measles-outbreak-spu... https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/11/26/deadly-measles-outbreak-hits-children-samoa-after-anti-vaccine-fears/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/11/26/deadly-meas... Which contributed to an outbreak of measles which led to more deaths from measles. Kennedy is out of his depth and doesn't know what he's talking about. He's an anti-vax loony.

12 points by johntfella 3y ago

al2o3cr 3y ago

I'll save you a click and spoil the answer: he's a dumbass who thinks he's smarter than the FDA because he's rich.

cempaka 3y ago
The same FDA that's had nothing to say about glyphosate, aspartame, or Vioxx in its day? The one that routinely allows manufacturers to run rigged trials including specifically the Covid vaccines? That FDA?

JohnnyHerz 3y ago

Another article from a media source that doesn't let the facts get in the way of collecting their share of advertising revenue from drug companies. There is an old adage that is often repeated because it is so often true... "Follow the money". Simply put, many of the most outspoken members of the "Scientific Community" that "debunk" claims about vaccine safety are documented to be collecting paychecks from big pharma. If we stop and listen to the skeptics view with an open mind - we might conclude that it's not such an open and shut case after all. Why would anyone choose to blindly follow without question? Are we going to echo the words we hear from biased news sources with no attempt at engaging our own critical thought process?

clouddrover 3y ago
> If we stop and listen to the skeptics view with an open mind Robert Kennedy Jr. thinks covid is a bioweapon that avoids Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese and targets Caucasians and Blacks: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/07/16/rfk-jr-makes-unfounded-claims-about-covid-19-caucasians-black-people-jews-chinese/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/07/16/rfk-jr-make... It isn't skepticism, it's just stupid. If you think covid is a bioweapon then you really want vaccination to defend yourself against it. So being anti-vaccination is double stupid.
- lowkey 3y ago
  No he doesn’t. You can see his response to this here - seems pretty reasonable to me. [0] >I have never, ever suggested that the COVID-19 virus was targeted to spare Jews. I accurately pointed out — during an off-the-record conversation — that the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons and that a 2021 study of the COVID-19 virus shows that COVID-19 appears to disproportionately affect certain races since the furin cleave docking site is most compatible with Blacks and Caucasians and least compatible with ethnic Chinese, Finns, and Ashkenazi Jews. He was intentionally mis-quoted to smear his character. It wasn’t the first time either and it won’t be the last. Funny thing is, these cheap shots only serve to discredit those who espouse them and lead more people to listen to the man in his own words instead of through the approved narrative filter of the mainstream media. [0] https://twitter.com/robertkennedyjr/status/1680227322509635595?s=46&t=Ykx7XWebsE1u53eLf-Xtfw https://twitter.com/robertkennedyjr/status/16802273225096355...
  - lowkey 3y ago
    Pfizer wanted a license to sell their COVID vaccine in India. The Indian government asked them for local clinical trials first. This should have been an easy win, prove the vaccine is safe and effective in a controlled trial and you can sell it into a market of 1.38 billion people. Pfizer declined. Why do you think that is? Let me give you a hint. Here is the CEO of Pfizer admitting that he never took his own COVID vaccine. Isn’t that odd? [0] [0] https://twitter.com/wolsned/status/1678719867975761920?s=46&t=Ykx7XWebsE1u53eLf-Xtfw https://twitter.com/wolsned/status/1678719867975761920?s=46&...
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    Read the article, watch the video. His claims have been discredited many times over. And he has form on this. He encouraged Samoans to stop taking the measles vaccine in 2019: https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/12/measles-outbreak-spurred-by-anti-vaxxers-shuts-down-samoan-government/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/12/measles-outbreak-spu... https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/11/26/deadly-measles-outbreak-hits-children-samoa-after-anti-vaccine-fears/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/11/26/deadly-meas... Which contributed to an outbreak of measles which led to more deaths from measles. Kennedy is out of his depth and doesn't know what he's talking about. He's an anti-vax loony.