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What kind of a system were you installing? We had a heat pump installed three years ago for less than $5k Canadian. Can't remember if we got a rebate on top of

What kind of a system were you installing? We had a heat pump installed three years ago for less than $5k Canadian. Can't remember if we got a rebate on top of that or not.

chongli 3y ago
We got a system for around $10,000 Canadian. But then there was a $5000 rebate. These things are quite expensive. I think the HVAC installers are making a large commission though. The actual equipment costs much less than that.
- xattt 3y ago
  I have a sneaking suspicion that green rebates are being exploited by historically shady businesses (contractors and car dealers) by baking in the cost of the rebate into the final price. There’s a local lot with a used 2021 Ioniq with the usual “used car dealer” hand-lettered sign proclaiming the $5,750 provincial rebate. I’m also fairly certain the car had its price inflated by that much by the dealer, or will climb by that as soon as negotiations start. (1) https://www.apexautogroup.ca/inventory/2021-hyundai-ioniq-electric-preferred-qBfbefEKQU2gTj1W90yUyQvdp/ https://www.apexautogroup.ca/inventory/2021-hyundai-ioniq-el...
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    It’s naïve to assume 100% of a subsidy will fall on a consumer, though delays between purchase and subsidy help in that respect.
eclarkso 3y ago
I can only speculate, but in my last replacement scenario, higher-SEER units (17+) had dramatically higher quotes, to the point where it was difficult to justify financially. On top of that, there were dramatic (~100%) variations in prices on similar equipment (but different brands) between installers. I can only imagine that regional differences are yet another source of variation... All that is to say, my first guess is that the GP was quoted a high-SEER unit for name-ish brand equipment.
jghn 3y ago
Had mitsubishi units installed in the northeast USA a couple of years ago, for a 1.5k sqft house all of our quotes were ~15K.
- notyourwork 3y ago
  $49k for a Mitsubishi heat pump, variable speed air handler and two ducted head units for upstairs rooms. Supports 3000 sqft with multiple zones.
  - doctorhandshake 3y ago
    This comports with my experience pricing out a similar sized mitsu system
    - notyourwork 3y ago
      Not sure if it's a bit over-priced, however, we replaced a gas furnace without A/C. The variable speed air-handler is amazing for constant low speed circulation and the energy savings with moderate temperature for 60-75 degree weather is incredible. Also, I have 15k BTU available for one or two additional head units. I opted for this approach instead of under-sizing the heat pump or assuming we'd need the extra head unit and buying them during initial install. Half of our basement has no ducting so we thought a unit for heat would be nice. Also considered adding another unit in second floor landing for additional capacity. Not sure yet if we will. My only complaint is the Kumo cloud is terrible.
      - superq 3y ago
        Your temperature controls are dependent on a "Kumo" cloud? that's rather terrifying. What if your internet goes out, or what if the cloud gets attacked (or your smart device)? Does that mean you lose control of your climate control?
        notyourwork 3y ago

What kind of a system were you installing? We had a heat pump installed three years ago for less than $5k Canadian. Can't remember if we got a rebate on top of that or not.

chongli 3y ago

We got a system for around $10,000 Canadian. But then there was a $5000 rebate. These things are quite expensive. I think the HVAC installers are making a large commission though. The actual equipment costs much less than that.

xattt 3y ago
I have a sneaking suspicion that green rebates are being exploited by historically shady businesses (contractors and car dealers) by baking in the cost of the rebate into the final price. There’s a local lot with a used 2021 Ioniq with the usual “used car dealer” hand-lettered sign proclaiming the $5,750 provincial rebate. I’m also fairly certain the car had its price inflated by that much by the dealer, or will climb by that as soon as negotiations start. (1) https://www.apexautogroup.ca/inventory/2021-hyundai-ioniq-electric-preferred-qBfbefEKQU2gTj1W90yUyQvdp/ https://www.apexautogroup.ca/inventory/2021-hyundai-ioniq-el...
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  It’s naïve to assume 100% of a subsidy will fall on a consumer, though delays between purchase and subsidy help in that respect.

eclarkso 3y ago

I can only speculate, but in my last replacement scenario, higher-SEER units (17+) had dramatically higher quotes, to the point where it was difficult to justify financially. On top of that, there were dramatic (~100%) variations in prices on similar equipment (but different brands) between installers. I can only imagine that regional differences are yet another source of variation... All that is to say, my first guess is that the GP was quoted a high-SEER unit for name-ish brand equipment.

jghn 3y ago

Had mitsubishi units installed in the northeast USA a couple of years ago, for a 1.5k sqft house all of our quotes were ~15K.

notyourwork 3y ago
$49k for a Mitsubishi heat pump, variable speed air handler and two ducted head units for upstairs rooms. Supports 3000 sqft with multiple zones.
- doctorhandshake 3y ago
  This comports with my experience pricing out a similar sized mitsu system
  - notyourwork 3y ago
    Not sure if it's a bit over-priced, however, we replaced a gas furnace without A/C. The variable speed air-handler is amazing for constant low speed circulation and the energy savings with moderate temperature for 60-75 degree weather is incredible. Also, I have 15k BTU available for one or two additional head units. I opted for this approach instead of under-sizing the heat pump or assuming we'd need the extra head unit and buying them during initial install. Half of our basement has no ducting so we thought a unit for heat would be nice. Also considered adding another unit in second floor landing for additional capacity. Not sure yet if we will. My only complaint is the Kumo cloud is terrible.
    - superq 3y ago
      Your temperature controls are dependent on a "Kumo" cloud? that's rather terrifying. What if your internet goes out, or what if the cloud gets attacked (or your smart device)? Does that mean you lose control of your climate control?
      - notyourwork 3y ago