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I believe the solution here is to get an SSD for your os. There is no reason in this day and age not to have one.

by twiceaday 15y ago

nknight 15y ago
Some of us use laptops and need as much storage in them as possible.
- jasonlotito 15y ago
  An SSD for your OS and a larger HD for storage aren't mutually exclusive.
  - nknight 15y ago
    Seriously? As I sit here, I have over 4TB of external storage hooked up to my MacBook Pro already, another 2TB standing by, and a few TB more available over my gigabit LAN, but when I'm not at my desk, where exactly do you think all that storage is? Floating weightlessly beside my head ready to jump into action at a moment's notice? You want me to have to pull out and hook up an external drive in Starbucks or a conference room or wherever? What do you want me to do when I don't have that option, and instead have to wait around for that critical video, or virtual machine, or whatever, to copy off my external HDD onto my tiny, overpriced internal SSD on which it may not even fit? Even just managing the placement of files and keeping track of which versions are current or not is a pain in the ass, but what do you want me to do when I have 30 seconds to copy 40GB? Think real world, not some bizarre happyland where those ports on the side of your laptop mean you can do anything with it anywhere.
    - defen 15y ago
      You can have the best of both worlds: http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-replace-your-macbooks-optical-drive-with-an-ssd/ http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-replace-your-macbooks-optical...
      - nknight 15y ago
        No, I can't. For the moment, I need that optical drive rather badly. In the future, I won't even have the option, as Apple is highly likely to eliminate it entirely in the next few iterations.
        shinratdr 15y ago
        K then since you can't give up a hard drive or optical drive, just get ready to lug around a desktop for the rest of your life because apparently whatever profession you're in is years behind everyone else. For 99% of users, an SSD and some sort of data drive is a perfectly workable solution. You're the outlier here.
        nknight 15y ago
        Development and operation of internet-based services is "years behind everyone else"? What is it you think "everyone else" is doing? And how will anyone manage to have an SSD and data drive in their laptop when there's no physical room for it?
        Bud 15y ago
        There certainly is room for it. SSDs are just rather small circuit boards with a bunch of memory chips on them. So any laptop big enough to hold a 2.5" hard drive can also hold that hard drive plus an SSD, rather easily.
        jasonlotito 15y ago
        > What is it you think "everyone else" is doing? Not needing 9TB and an optical drive to do it? Really, you have specific needs. That's fine. But it's fairly egotistical to think that a consumer company like Apple will make something to meet your simple needs. What I said stands. What you apparently lack is the ability to put it together.
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    - burgerbrain 15y ago
      Has Apple not mastered the oh so tricky technology of "two harddrives inside of one computer" then?
      - Turing_Machine 15y ago
        The Mac Pro has 4 3.5" drive bays and 2 5.25" bays, so yes. I'd be interested to hear about any "tricky technology" that would let you put two regular hard drives in a Macbook Air.
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    - jasonlotito 15y ago
      > Seriously? Yes. > As I sit here, I have over 4TB of external storage hooked up... I'm not talking about external drives. Why are you? You do realize that computers can have more than one drive, right? I mean, even laptops? > You want me to have to pull out and hook up an external drive in Starbucks or a conference room or wherever? I don't know. What do you do now when you already have 4TB of external storage. I mean, please, share with me what you do now when you have that 4TB file that you need with you at all times, how do you handle that now? > What do you want me to do when I don't have that option, When you don't have the option to connect 4TB of external storage? Really, you should spend a few minutes reading your post. Your coming across like a self-entitled ignorant ass with noting to contribute. Check yourself.
  - tomjen3 15y ago
    On a laptop they are. USB harddrives should not be required for normal operation (they are wonderful for storing things you don't use often, but they suck to drag around).
    - jasonlotito 15y ago
      No, they aren't. You can have multiple drives in a laptop. It depends on the model, but you can. Suggesting otherwise is ignorant.
- jodrellblank 15y ago
  "SOME people can't DO that" is one of the most common, least convincing internet retorts. So 'some' of use have constraints which make this not a good solution ... so what?
rheide 15y ago
That's not a solution. That's a disgrace.
- Someone 15y ago
  Why do you think so? Was requiring a mouse/a hard disk/a MMU/16 megabytes of RAM/2 gigabytes of RAM/etc also a disgrace? If not, what is different about this change? The only thing I can think of is that Apple is selling machines with hard disks and Lion.
herf 15y ago
This seems to be the case with lots of software now. e.g., I can't run Thunderbird 3 on a machine without SSD.
freehunter 15y ago
I do agree with you. Hard drives are slow and ancient technology. However, I do agree with the other people commenting. SSDs shouldn't be a requirement for a desktop. An OS can have all the fancy features in the world, but there shouldn't be any reason for a computer to use all your resources for an OS-level operation. I've been waiting for the day when a OS can boot itself then trickle in the rest of the startup features in a way to minimize the impact on performance. Windows does a lot of maintenance in the background when you're not using it, causing a lot of people to complain that "Windows is using 4GB of RAM just for itself!" But when another program requests that memory or that CPU time, Windows gives it up and delays whatever it was doing. Why can't this be universal, and why can't it apply to booting the OS as well?
ComputerGuru 15y ago
Actually, I got an SSD while I was running Snow Leopard. My MacBook was incredibly fast, I couldn't believe it. I upgraded to Lion though, and I must agree with the OP. It is slower to start, boot, run, etc. even with an SSD.
stesch 15y ago
OK, let's change the drives of our iMacs. That'll be fun.

I believe the solution here is to get an SSD for your os. There is no reason in this day and age not to have one.

nknight 15y ago

Some of us use laptops and need as much storage in them as possible.

jasonlotito 15y ago
An SSD for your OS and a larger HD for storage aren't mutually exclusive.
- nknight 15y ago
  Seriously? As I sit here, I have over 4TB of external storage hooked up to my MacBook Pro already, another 2TB standing by, and a few TB more available over my gigabit LAN, but when I'm not at my desk, where exactly do you think all that storage is? Floating weightlessly beside my head ready to jump into action at a moment's notice? You want me to have to pull out and hook up an external drive in Starbucks or a conference room or wherever? What do you want me to do when I don't have that option, and instead have to wait around for that critical video, or virtual machine, or whatever, to copy off my external HDD onto my tiny, overpriced internal SSD on which it may not even fit? Even just managing the placement of files and keeping track of which versions are current or not is a pain in the ass, but what do you want me to do when I have 30 seconds to copy 40GB? Think real world, not some bizarre happyland where those ports on the side of your laptop mean you can do anything with it anywhere.
  - defen 15y ago
    You can have the best of both worlds: http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-replace-your-macbooks-optical-drive-with-an-ssd/ http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-replace-your-macbooks-optical...
    - nknight 15y ago
      No, I can't. For the moment, I need that optical drive rather badly. In the future, I won't even have the option, as Apple is highly likely to eliminate it entirely in the next few iterations.
      - shinratdr 15y ago
        K then since you can't give up a hard drive or optical drive, just get ready to lug around a desktop for the rest of your life because apparently whatever profession you're in is years behind everyone else. For 99% of users, an SSD and some sort of data drive is a perfectly workable solution. You're the outlier here.
        nknight 15y ago
        Development and operation of internet-based services is "years behind everyone else"? What is it you think "everyone else" is doing? And how will anyone manage to have an SSD and data drive in their laptop when there's no physical room for it?
        Bud 15y ago
        There certainly is room for it. SSDs are just rather small circuit boards with a bunch of memory chips on them. So any laptop big enough to hold a 2.5" hard drive can also hold that hard drive plus an SSD, rather easily.
        jasonlotito 15y ago
        > What is it you think "everyone else" is doing? Not needing 9TB and an optical drive to do it? Really, you have specific needs. That's fine. But it's fairly egotistical to think that a consumer company like Apple will make something to meet your simple needs. What I said stands. What you apparently lack is the ability to put it together.
      - deleted 15y ago
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  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    Has Apple not mastered the oh so tricky technology of "two harddrives inside of one computer" then?
    - Turing_Machine 15y ago
      The Mac Pro has 4 3.5" drive bays and 2 5.25" bays, so yes. I'd be interested to hear about any "tricky technology" that would let you put two regular hard drives in a Macbook Air.
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  - jasonlotito 15y ago
    > Seriously? Yes. > As I sit here, I have over 4TB of external storage hooked up... I'm not talking about external drives. Why are you? You do realize that computers can have more than one drive, right? I mean, even laptops? > You want me to have to pull out and hook up an external drive in Starbucks or a conference room or wherever? I don't know. What do you do now when you already have 4TB of external storage. I mean, please, share with me what you do now when you have that 4TB file that you need with you at all times, how do you handle that now? > What do you want me to do when I don't have that option, When you don't have the option to connect 4TB of external storage? Really, you should spend a few minutes reading your post. Your coming across like a self-entitled ignorant ass with noting to contribute. Check yourself.
- tomjen3 15y ago
  On a laptop they are. USB harddrives should not be required for normal operation (they are wonderful for storing things you don't use often, but they suck to drag around).
  - jasonlotito 15y ago
    No, they aren't. You can have multiple drives in a laptop. It depends on the model, but you can. Suggesting otherwise is ignorant.
jodrellblank 15y ago
"SOME people can't DO that" is one of the most common, least convincing internet retorts. So 'some' of use have constraints which make this not a good solution ... so what?

rheide 15y ago

That's not a solution. That's a disgrace.

Someone 15y ago
Why do you think so? Was requiring a mouse/a hard disk/a MMU/16 megabytes of RAM/2 gigabytes of RAM/etc also a disgrace? If not, what is different about this change? The only thing I can think of is that Apple is selling machines with hard disks and Lion.

herf 15y ago

This seems to be the case with lots of software now. e.g., I can't run Thunderbird 3 on a machine without SSD.

freehunter 15y ago

I do agree with you. Hard drives are slow and ancient technology. However, I do agree with the other people commenting. SSDs shouldn't be a requirement for a desktop. An OS can have all the fancy features in the world, but there shouldn't be any reason for a computer to use all your resources for an OS-level operation. I've been waiting for the day when a OS can boot itself then trickle in the rest of the startup features in a way to minimize the impact on performance. Windows does a lot of maintenance in the background when you're not using it, causing a lot of people to complain that "Windows is using 4GB of RAM just for itself!" But when another program requests that memory or that CPU time, Windows gives it up and delays whatever it was doing. Why can't this be universal, and why can't it apply to booting the OS as well?

ComputerGuru 15y ago

Actually, I got an SSD while I was running Snow Leopard. My MacBook was incredibly fast, I couldn't believe it. I upgraded to Lion though, and I must agree with the OP. It is slower to start, boot, run, etc. even with an SSD.

stesch 15y ago

OK, let's change the drives of our iMacs. That'll be fun.