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It appears that your comment has been taken the wrong way... I think what you're saying is this: * It's more fun (for you) to work with people who like to prog
by jt2190 15y ago
It appears that your comment has been taken the wrong way... I think what you're saying is this:
* It's more fun (for you) to work with people who like to program and ship software than it is to work with people who just program to pay their bills and would rather be anywhere else than at work.
When employees care about solving problems, they put in extra hours sometimes. Managers have the problem of making sure that team members don't burn themselves out. At these companies you see things like as much time off as you want, work what hours you want, work where you want. There's no need to make people work.
When employees don't care, they spend lots of time in the office getting coffee, checking email, IM chatting, surfing the web, having endless meetings arguing about whether or not source control is a good idea, etc. The managers there have the problem of getting the staff to do any real work at all.
For an employee who wants to work at one kind of company, it's very frustrating to work at the other kind.
- jtagen 15y agoThis describes the kind of place I want to work. Employees want to be there for crazy hours because it's such a fun environment, and employers push back to prevent burnout.
- _delirium 15y agoMany really good people who love to program, though, don't necessarily love to spend 100% of their time programming one thing. Lots of strong, motivated programmers work on open-source projects and other side projects in addition to their day job, and try to avoid companies where excessive crunch-time would make that impossible.
- Natsu 15y agoYeah, I've seen both ends of that. I really understand wanting to work with people who care a lot about what they're doing and who want to get things done right. At the same time, I've also seen short-sighted management where they're just trying to wring you dry and pulling really stupid stunts that really hurt the people who do care. And when they do those, I find myself starting to care less, because some of the stupid little things they do when trying to save a few pennies can just totally sap your ability to care. Just got a fresh reminder of that, sadly. Cancelled a cheap parts order just because we managed to get the flaky part to work for a short time, but it still breaks down half the time as they'd know if they hadn't left early.