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So Germany uses less coal continuously and plans to stop using it 2030. You say: terrible and too slow. Poland uses a lot more coal, has no real plan to reduce
by locallost 3y ago
So Germany uses less coal continuously and plans to stop using it 2030. You say: terrible and too slow.
Poland uses a lot more coal, has no real plan to reduce it, and wants to continue at the same level for the next 15 years or so. You say: awesome job.
You can't be serious.
- fsflover 3y agoI said I praised Poland for building nuclear plants. I didn't say they did everything perfectly.
- locallost 3y agoThere is no difference between building plants and producing the vast majority of your electricity from coal for the next 15 years. The latter is the consequence of the former.
- fsflover 3y agoYou seem to imply that building nuclear takes forever. This is wrong.
- locallost 3y agoThere is no need to imply when we have data. Building nuclear takes forever.
- fsflover 3y agoYes, because of government regulations that force safety to a much, much higher standards than those for coal.
- locallost 3y agoSo at least we agree it takes forever and is thus harmful when it comes to emissions.
- fsflover 3y agoHarmful are stupid regulations helping coal, and also people who don't get that damage from coal is so strong that even ancient nuclear reactors are safer, including Chernobyl and Fukushima.
- locallost 3y agoWhataboutism. Nuclear's long build times help coal plants stay open and are thus bad for emissions. Here [1] an article about Poland deciding to build nuclear plants FOUR YEARS AGO. During that time they did not displace a single molecule of co2 from their worst in Europe electricity production. The construction didn't even begin yet, and when it does it will again take years in the best case. If it takes as much as it did in other European countries recently, we are talking about 20 years easily. Those that praise this strategy are either naive, misinformed, or funded by the nuclear lobby. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-18/poland-moves-ahead-with-60-billion-nuclear-power-project https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-18/poland-mo...
- fsflover 3y ago> Here [1] an article about Poland deciding to build nuclear plants FOUR YEARS AGO. Cherry picking. Other countries build nuclear reactors just fine if they want. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36333904 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36333904
- locallost 3y agoExcept we were talking specifically about Poland for which you said you support what they do. Now that you know the facts do you still support prolonging the use of so much coal? In 4 years they've done nothing, and won't do anything for at least a decade. Germany's coal exit 2030 you called too slow. Will you reconsider? France started building a prototype replacement in Flamanville for those reactors and with a bit of luck it might be finished this year. After 20 years of development.